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Author:  RaulDuke [ Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
Hi people. I've looked all over the forum for possible solutions to amogging in work and in my social group. I have taken advice from PUA training social circle which has definitely helped me. Although it's annoying I find it interesting how I have risen through the social hierarchy and have encountered more put downs. Verbal and physical.

The problem

The work place is and can be a nasty battle ground. I have encountered two guys who even fight each other (not physically as they would be sacked) to big themselves up. They try bringing you down infront of other people especially the ladies. I've found that not reacting to it (although hard to do as you just wanna knock them out) usually works or agreeing with them and turning it in to a joke and building them up. They usually crumble. Sometimes they can get really physical. ie they are always touching and sometimes slap you on the back of the head or the face infront of girls which is very frustrating. Or push and grab you in a jokey way but there is undertones of aggression and insecurity.

My question would be how would handle that type of behaviour? I go red...not from embarrassment..but from anger or fear that I'll lose control and smash them as I can handle myself well. I'm not the type to beat my chest like the typical amog but when I need to protect myself I can. These guys are tall. It's ever since I have risen up in the social hierarchy of the work group. I organise drinks out and have my own thing going on outside the group and they can see that I go out with other beautiful ladies.

I'm more popular but I'm certainly not the alpha male of the work group. The guy who is the amog uses his physical presence and he is also intelligent. I have befriended him but I can tell he is insecure about me as he attacks. So there are some positives to take from it I suppose when the alpha males attack (Physically or verbally) they are seeing you as a threat so you must be doing something right. Maybe. I think the higher you move up the social ladder the more underhanded put downs are. However I'm still learning with this social group but it is so fascinating to see how things work in the social matrix.

Thanks for reading.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
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Sometimes they can get really physical. ie they are always touching and sometimes slap you on the back of the head or the face infront of girls which is very frustrating.
Seriously, that's not AMOGging. It's bullying. Pure. And. Simple. Bullies will never stop unless you teach them a lesson or find another work. If in a different workplace you still get bullied, learn some Brazilian Jiujitsu dude.

A slap on the nape or back of the head, with enough force, can paralyze you with damage to your spine. No social or PUA techniques can defend your vital body parts. Social techniques are bullshit when you're in grave physical danger and you're not doing anything about it to physically stop the assaults.

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Author:  gslizzard [ Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
Tell them their breathe stinks or sumthin. thatll really fuck up their inner game
Author:  RaulDuke [ Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. I see what you mean by bullying. That's in fact what amoging is about. The Alpha male bullies his way to the top. Either using dominant physical behaviour or a more subtle underhanded putdowns in social situations. He, also, can do it in a more nice befriending way and show his dominance through his people skills with out resorting to verbal put downs and physical behaviour. But sometimes, like some of my alpha friends, it is a sort of play ritual. We play fight but you have to match them but not go over board. It's just a bit of fun. The problem is that it's work and we are meant to be adult professionals. I would like to pull him to one side and basically threaten him and if he pisses me off just bang the fucker in the chops but it could mean my job. Also saying his breathe stinks is a good one. I will use that one. The work place is FULL of egos. Saying something like that will fuck with their inner game ;) thanks. I appreciate the advice.
Author:  -..-.-.-.- [ Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
Are you a big guy, at least sort of? I am quite tall and of a decent build, but I usually act very calmly. When people attack me verbally, I can easily destroy them with a comeback (I acquired an insane speed over the last few years). If they attack me physically, I stop whatever I'm doing, turn to them, might even move a step closer, maybe even grab their arm or shoulder and calmly tell them that they shouldn't be doing this. A certain size helps a lot in this, probably. I don't threat them in any other way, but funnily enough, when I do this (hardly ever happens anyway), everyone around goes quiet. After telling them, I immediately go back to what I've been doing, acting as if nothing happened.
This shows insane amounts of confidence, it makes people realise that you're not a guy that can be bullied in any way, and finally, by just brushing it off and going back to laughing or whatever you've been doing, you show that you're at ease with the situation.
Author:  SilverTonguedFox [ Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
It's natural when rising for more haters to surface. Envy is a total bitch.

I don't agree with jousting in the workplace for AMOG rights. To be truthful I only became truly alpha and properly respected when I stopped trying to dominate at work. Don't stage power plays, but be firm when challenged.

That being said I echo what gslizzard said. I've found some of the best comebacks to tooling attempts are to almost politely pick apart something about them and shake their frame.

"Bro, you've got something on your teeth there." etc.

-SilverTonguedFox
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
Ah, NLP reframing. Maybe you're just giving too much weight on the issue when the guy is just defending his hand from the assaults of your face and nape.

Carry on. You're doing great with your social dominance and alpha attitude.

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Author:  loganhill365 [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
try to do mediation that help alot for the growth of person personal and professional life.
Author:  ballplayer15 [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
i've faced amogs more often recently. especially when my game is improving. some guys try to tease my dancing in the club. there was another guy dance and force kiss a girl right in front of me. worse thing that could happen is a group of guys trying to amog you together (maybe a small group of 2-3 guys). what i did was just ignoring them. but it really kills my game and certain girls would switch to the cockblockers. can anyone offer some suggestions?
Author:  JohnnyWish [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Social hierarchy and aggressive amogs
If you create your own Alpha-male group, you will dominate the club.
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