PUA Forum :: First Date, Rejected Kiss

I'd reply to her like this:

I'd love to take you out again, I find you to be very intriguing, but!! being the man I am, I simply cannot accept being rejected for a kiss. If you are not willing to be taken and kissed when you should be, Im not sure I am willing to show you the good man I truly am. This is not an altimatum but merely me being honest.

It all comes down to choosing a frame that fits your personality. For example, I wouldn't have that tone of voice SexAddict911 does, it just doesn't suit my look and frame. So rather I'd be a bit serious with some humor and sarcasm which is always the first thing people would notice about me. I'd still reject her to get back in control, but I'd say something like this.

"My bad. I assumed you couldn't make it so I made other arrangement to go steal a tiger at the zoo tonight"

I usually leave it at that without any explanation so she can think whatever she likes. As for the kiss rejected, you should read 60s stuffs. As he claimed, a non-verbal rejection never happened. Meaning if she doesn't flat out say no, you pretend like it never happened and it doesn't really register in the logic part of her brain. You can always try again in the few minutes. I've been using that concept for a while and it worked.

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Ummm. I don't know about everyone else, but this sounds very beta to me. It sounds like a forced sales pitch. Definitely not something I would say.

Author:	DylW [ Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:36 pm ]
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As embarrassing as it is, I am wondering if there's anything I could do now to make up for getting a rejected goodnight kiss. Any protocol thing to do? Let me know!

Author:	Fly_Swatter [ Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:45 pm ]
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What was your reaction to that? What was hers? Are you two still texting? If so, who contacted who first? Is she still showing signs of interest?

Author:	DylW [ Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:50 pm ]
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She had signs of interest throughout the night, she kept talking about the next time were going out etc. We texted a bit ( I initiated it, she kept it engaging though, asked questions etc). I asked her if she's free tomorrow night and she responded "should be". I replied with: perfect. lets go out than. Im waiting a response, but im just confused why shes taking so long to answer now when she already said she was free.

Author:	puaninja [ Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:10 pm ]
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I doubt you'll be seeing this girl again. And if you do, forget about the rejection on the kiss. There's no protocol for a kiss rejection other than pretending it didn't happen.

Author:	Fly_Swatter [ Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:29 pm ]
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Yeah, delayed responses are your biggest IOD. If she's engaging in conversation, it's because she feels guilty for having to inevitably reject you. Move on.

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Author:	DylW [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:38 am ]
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Hey guys, the girl texted me back earlier today (8pm) saying "it turned out i'm free tonight. where do u wanna go?" I decided to reply saying that I already made plans because of her indecision, but ill see her another time. Would you guys have done the same?

Author:	Pickwick [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:38 am ]
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I wouldn't have said "because of your indecision." (assuming you said that) Nonetheless, I would have said that I am busy (something that DHVs) but I want to see her after. After which, scheduled a place for a later time than she would have expected. My main goal would be to see her (otherwise, why else are you talking to her), but have things under my control. With that response you DHV that you have other shit to do and you're telling her what time and place to see you at. If she says yes, okay. If she says no, wish her a good night and do your own thing.

Author:	DylW [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:41 am ]
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I didn't use the exact word indecision. Just around the same idea. Im going out of town tomorrow so i told her I would see her when i get back. Thanks for the advice!

Author:	Fly_Swatter [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:39 am ]
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Well you did good to reject her anyway. That still DHVs. If we're to assume you're to see her again, don't just go in for the kiss. Touch her lightly, then work your way up to kissing her cheek, etc. Familiarize yourself with the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder.

Author:	SexAddict911 [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:04 pm ]
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Regardless of the current pedistal you may put your present target on. It's important to always control the frame. She may show interest in having a second encounter with you, but at the present moment, she has complete control, Women need to be overwhelmed by a man. They need to be challenged They know they are in control, until they are shown they are not. SHOW THEM THEY ARE NOT!!. This is what attracts them, this is what draws them to you, as it does with everyone. Imagine if the social scales were reversed and men were the ones being chased, who would you want? My advice to you is such, even know you may not be a man of abundance, it is important that you show that exact frame. You must give your target the impression if she doesnt capitalize on you now it is her loss. I'd reply to her like this: I'd love to take you out again, I find you to be very intriguing, but!! being the man I am, I simply cannot accept being rejected for a kiss. If you are not willing to be taken and kissed when you should be, Im not sure I am willing to show you the good man I truly am. This is not an altimatum but merely me being honest. ( wait for her response, I am certain it will be better then you expect) but even if it's not. You still have become the desirable man. Keep this frame always and everything is fall into place. It doesn't have to be those exact words, but it does have be strong and bold. Even if this fails epically, it doesn't matter. Having the correct frame will pay off in the long run and sooner then you think. Keeping this frame will eliminate all the bullshit and wasted time. Show what you want always and go for it. If she misses the train, so be it. Keep the frame and you will never get kiss rejected again and if it does happen, it will simply be her loss. With the right frame she will know it's her loss. Edit ( after reading others advice) DO NOT!! assume your target has the same thought process as you, do not freeze her out or reject her to get her back, this can back fire HUGE ( women don't think the same as us, what may seem logical to us may be completely WHACK to them). Simply speak your mind, Become the desired and take control of the frame. Nothing else matters.

Author:	Fly_Swatter [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:58 pm ]
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Quote: I'd reply to her like this: I'd love to take you out again, I find you to be very intriguing, but!! being the man I am, I simply cannot accept being rejected for a kiss. If you are not willing to be taken and kissed when you should be, Im not sure I am willing to show you the good man I truly am. This is not an altimatum but merely me being honest. Ummm. I don't know about everyone else, but this sounds very beta to me. It sounds like a forced sales pitch. Definitely not something I would say.

Author:	GKS [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:12 pm ]
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It all comes down to choosing a frame that fits your personality. For example, I wouldn't have that tone of voice SexAddict911 does, it just doesn't suit my look and frame. So rather I'd be a bit serious with some humor and sarcasm which is always the first thing people would notice about me. I'd still reject her to get back in control, but I'd say something like this. "My bad. I assumed you couldn't make it so I made other arrangement to go steal a tiger at the zoo tonight" I usually leave it at that without any explanation so she can think whatever she likes. As for the kiss rejected, you should read 60s stuffs. As he claimed, a non-verbal rejection never happened. Meaning if she doesn't flat out say no, you pretend like it never happened and it doesn't really register in the logic part of her brain. You can always try again in the few minutes. I've been using that concept for a while and it worked.

Author:	Fly_Swatter [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:05 pm ]
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Quote: It all comes down to choosing a frame that fits your personality. For example, I wouldn't have that tone of voice SexAddict911 does, it just doesn't suit my look and frame. So rather I'd be a bit serious with some humor and sarcasm which is always the first thing people would notice about me. I'd still reject her to get back in control, but I'd say something like this. "My bad. I assumed you couldn't make it so I made other arrangement to go steal a tiger at the zoo tonight" I usually leave it at that without any explanation so she can think whatever she likes. As for the kiss rejected, you should read 60s stuffs. As he claimed, a non-verbal rejection never happened. Meaning if she doesn't flat out say no, you pretend like it never happened and it doesn't really register in the logic part of her brain. You can always try again in the few minutes. I've been using that concept for a while and it worked. Yep. Agreed with all of this.

Author:	DylW [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:16 pm ]
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Thanks for all the advice guys. All of you seem to know what you're talking about so im hoping if any of you have any ideas which books I can read that target a "Cocky & Funny" attitude. This suits my personality best so I would love to read some books any of you guys suggest. Let me know!

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Author:	SexAddict911 [ Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:59 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: I'd reply to her like this: I'd love to take you out again, I find you to be very intriguing, but!! being the man I am, I simply cannot accept being rejected for a kiss. If you are not willing to be taken and kissed when you should be, Im not sure I am willing to show you the good man I truly am. This is not an altimatum but merely me being honest. Ummm. I don't know about everyone else, but this sounds very beta to me. It sounds like a forced sales pitch. Definitely not something I would say. So because you would not say this, this means it's beta? Why are you so concerned with sounding or not sounding beta? Being alpha isn't about not being beta. It's about not being a push over and having the balls to speak your mind. The words I said were merely an example of changing and controlling the frame. The observer will know best what words to say based on their own personal experience with the target. However, the frame is what's important. You see it as a forced sales pitch. I see it as simply setting some ground rules and eliminating any future rejections. If she's interested she should respect these words and most likely explain where her head is at. If you don't understand where I am coming from here, that's ok. But don't assume my words are beta or forced. I don't know any alpha's that go around calling people beta. ( something to keep in mind)