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Author:  Certo [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Escalating from the kitchen table (?)
I've known this girl for many years, but we are not that "tight". If we see each other we say hi to each other, but nothing more than that, I'd not stop just to socially speak with her, unless it's at a party.

So I was walking this girl home the other day from a party and we stopped outside her house. After couple o' minutes she invited me in. In the doorway her sister came and asked the girl I walked home if I was gonna sleep there, in which she replied "why don't you ask certo?". Confused as I was (since I wasn't planing on doing anything with her) I answered something in style with "we'll see"

--Did she want me to sleep there according to her answer?--

We moved on into the kitchen where we sat on each side of the table.
We continued talking about whatever came to mind and approx one hour later I went home and got to sleep.

Now, let's say I wanted to close the deal with this girl, how would you escalate from talking face to face, but with a freaking table in between, to go on and kiss her and escalate like normally from there?

If it was in a cough or whatever I could do some kino and figure out what she wanted from there, but since I was on one side and she was at the other I got kinda stunned and couldn't think of any way to escalate from there.

How would you do to most smoothly escalate to kissing from that position? Since I wasn't sure what she wanted (since we're old friends) I didn't wanna go like "hey, can I see your room :shock: derp"

Thanks to any reply :)
Author:  Andre2807 [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:19 am ]
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Why didn't you just stand up and go sit on the couch in the living room?
Author:  puaninja [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:07 pm ]
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Aghhh! This is so AFC. Of course you can't escalate sitting across from each other at a table. Unless you play footsie, but that only goes so far. Get up to use the restroom, then come back and don't even sit down, just stand over her and rub her shoulders. What girl wouldn't want a shoulder rub?

It's really sad because she was just sitting there waiting for you to grow some balls, then when you both realized this wasn't going to happen you had tuck your tail between your legs to cover up the spot your balls should've been in and then you went home alone.
Author:  1T4S2T4C [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:45 pm ]
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Gotta get close enough to her to start some playful kino, never sit too far from the target or in an akward position to start kino. What kind of convo was going on during that hour? Because if its all fluff for one hour.........then you may be climbing a ditch depending..
Author:  Certo [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Escalating from the kitchen table (?)
Yeah it's AFC, but I just didn't know what the heck to do :(
A shoulder rub sounds good, but can't it come off to desperate?

Could you please give me a scenario on what you would do whern you're sitting across from each other at a table? Or would you 100% do as you explained?
Might sound retarded, but I believe it would help, if a similar occurence happens again some time.
Author:  Andre2807 [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:39 am ]
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It depends on where you are with her. If you haven't even touched her before or anything more than a *friendly* hug, then a shoulder rub will have her completely freaked out. BUT, if you were running some kino games, touched her arm while talking, sitting closely to her, holding her hand, arm around her while talking etc... A shoulder rub would be most welcoming to her.

In the case of the kitchen table thing, I would, stand up, pour drinks or whatever, and walk over to the living room, showing with my head she should join. You think she would really just continue sitting in the kitchen?
Author:  puaninja [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:59 am ]
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Any move a guy ever makes to initiate contact could always be perceived as needy, desperate, telegraphed, etc. That's why you have to do it wtih confidence and not give a fuck. If she recoils like she's never been touched by a man before, then you pull your hands back and get a weird look on your face and act like this is really odd that she wouldn't want you to touch her. It took me so long to realize that as an AFC. Always worrying how the woman might perceive my actions and second guessing myself. You should just go for it, put your hands on her body, and do what you want unless she starts kicking and screaming.
Author:  Certo [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Escalating from the kitchen table (?)
Oh sweet mother of God, I feel like a complete retard.
Thanks for the answers!
Author:  Mr. Marville [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:45 pm ]
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Aghhh! This is so AFC. Of course you can't escalate sitting across from each other at a table. Unless you play footsie, but that only goes so far. Get up to use the restroom, then come back and don't even sit down, just stand over her and rub her shoulders. What girl wouldn't want a shoulder rub?

It's really sad because she was just sitting there waiting for you to grow some balls, then when you both realized this wasn't going to happen you had tuck your tail between your legs to cover up the spot your balls should've been in and then you went home alone.
Well PUA ninja, I would have to disagree with you here, because usually girls don´t send out unequivocal signs of whether they are open to being touched or not (like the scenario of myself and the Arab girl). The shoulder back rub scenario sounds good, but then again probably only if you touched the girl before. The first touch is always the most difficult and you require a lot of luck for it. After the first touch, at least in my way of living Epically, the scenario is bagged.
Author:  Andre2807 [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:09 pm ]
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I am calmly going to disagree. With one tiny part. "The First Touch" It's not difficult. High 5 = First touch. Handshake = First touch. I think the difficult part of touching, is escalating enough that she likes your touch, but not so much that she'll slap you through your face.
Author:  Mr. Marville [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:17 pm ]
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Hand shakes and high fives don´t count. I mean like caressing your fingertips lightly over the back of her hand and if she doesnt withdraw, keep doing it until she reciprocates. This is a good physical opening in an intimate kitchen table setting but if she doesnt have her hand close enough to do this, it would be awkward to force physical contact and you might blow your chances.
Author:  ItsAlwaysOn [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:22 pm ]
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like puaninja said going to the bathroom would have been a good move. also if shes into you and wants it to go down, theres a chance she might go sit down on the couch or something while youre in there. if you didnt want to use the bathroom, then i would have just said something like "you wanna watch a movie or something?" anything at all to suggest a move to a location where you can get more comfortable with her. thats usually all shell need is for you to suggest something else. she probably wants to have sex with you but shes obv not gonna be like "hey, so you wanna come fuck me?". you need to do the work.

also read subtle cues. when the sister asks her if youre spending the night and she doesnt immediately say no to her, its a great sign that she wants you to stay.

you really messed this one up im afraid. oh well, live and learn, and handle it better next time.
Author:  NorthBoy [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:47 pm ]
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she probably wants to have sex with you but shes obv not gonna be like "hey, so you wanna come fuck me?". you need to do the work.

also read subtle cues. when the sister asks her if youre spending the night and she doesnt immediately say no to her, its a great sign that she wants you to stay.
It took me many time to realise that men are not really (I'd say most of the time) the ones to make the true first move. In fact, girls are often the first to send a "yes you can approach me" signal. Then, we approach. The signs ItsAlwaysOn is talking about were probably green lights for you to escalate. That being said, I'm also interested in knowing from a dinner scene lol :(
Author:  1T4S2T4C [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:56 am ]
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I am calmly going to disagree. With one tiny part. "The First Touch" It's not difficult. High 5 = First touch. Handshake = First touch. I think the difficult part of touching, is escalating enough that she likes your touch, but not so much that she'll slap you through your face.

Agreed, Mystery teaches that you should play like your just a touchy feely guy, you touch everyone. So if she gives neagative looks to you, treat her like she weird, unless you obviously are going to far and being in fact "weird"
Author:  Andre2807 [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Escalating from the kitchen table (?)
For any physical escalation tips, check out Mystery's 4 part video series on YouTube with regards to kino escalation. Also take a look at the physical progression levels taken from Magic Bullets (Love Systems)
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