PUA Forum :: Becoming the embodiment of a character in a book?

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what a weird fucking post.

Hey, I'm weird. And why is that a bad thing?

If I came across as a weirdo believing nonsense I'm sorry, I don't think I really put it quite right; its late and I'm a little delirious.

Good writers, in a sense, have the ability to write in multiple personalities. Anna Karenina is a book that any man or woman can relate to. Before she met Vronsky, Anna came to visit her brother because he was involved in an affair and she was there to mediate between him as his wife. Despite hypocrisy she has an affair with Vronsky soon after. The same Vronsky that his niece was going to marry! The whole book is about the hypocrisy of human life, which everyone encounters.

The life of the people in this book are real. Real, in the sense that it is not some insensible fantasy story but the characters has a mind as much as we do. Tolstoy was a credited writer even 100 years after his death. You have to be some kind of a freak to write a multi-volume work that is united across all pages. How many characters are there that he had to write about? He didn't half-ass any of them, each one was a crafted piece of his mind.

Have you ever picked up a book and felt the same emotions as a character in the book? No? Well it is kind of like watching a movie, but I feel it even more. Because I get to read their thoughts.

Can people fall in love with a character in a book? Hell yes. Romantically? Yeah. I have a friend that recommended me to read The Time Traveler's Wife and she didn't need to tell me that she loved Henry. Fifty Shades of Grey? The softcore porn novel is actually popular. Your mom probably reads it. My mom would read it if she spoke more English, or if she wasn't a reverend.

I just wanted to say that if a character in a well written novel can fall in love with another character, there must be something worth learning from him. If a man in a book can turn on a woman in real life, why shouldn't we use learn something from him?

I'm sorry that my original post didn't exactly mean what I wanted to say.

Author:	phi_frankwipe [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:05 am ]
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Since I was little I loved to read books. Recently I've starting reading again and I remembered why I loved to read so much. The people in the books are so colorful, interesting, and romantic than in people real life. Is it possible, to become like them? I finished Scaramouche by Rafael Sabatini, and in that book I loved Andre and Marquis de la Tour d'Azyr. The Marquis is more relevant to the mindset of PUAs although I love Andre as well. For those of you who haven't read the novel, it is romance of the French Revolution. Marquis de la Tour d'Azyr is a noble gentleman and a seducer. This gentleman is beautifully adorned with fabulous clothes, his manner is impeccably graceful. The novel is centered at other themes than seduction and love. Still I can imagine the way Marquis would talk, walk, and seduce the women. I think he is passionate about the women, and he transmits that to the women with his eyes and the air about him. No humor, no jokes. He wants her. I picked Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy. It is a multi-volume work, and I've only just started book 3. Many say that it is the greatest novel ever written. The seducer in the book so far is Vronsky that seduces the married Anna Karenina, right under her husband's eyes. Vronsky is similar to the Marquis; he is all about love with women. However he has a couple differences. One is that he is more a social character. I think the moment Anna decided to sleep with him was on the night of the ball, when Vronsky danced with her and laughed with her. The other difference is that Vronsky was not afraid to chase after her. Of course, he saw in Anna's eyes that she was in love with him. He would be more direct than the Marquis. He would speak of his passionate love with words as well as his eyes. Is it wise, to become like them? I believe that these writers wrote for the real men of the time. The real seducers of their lifetime! And they are living inside a novel! However, these men were from a long time ago, in different countries. If I decided to model myself after them, would I be taken as seriously as they were?

Author:	detox75 [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:10 am ]
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what a weird fucking post.

Author:	JimmyStyles [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:36 am ]
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I might give those books a read in my spare time (not to help my PU but merely for enjoyment) Anyway, why not give it a try? (Although, I don't think your character would be the type to go to clubs since he seems like an old-fashioned aristocrat) Make sure you remember to be a challenge, though. The men in many novels/movies essentially beg for the women to love them - don't do this.

Author:	phi_frankwipe [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:08 am ]
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Quote: what a weird fucking post. Hey, I'm weird. And why is that a bad thing? If I came across as a weirdo believing nonsense I'm sorry, I don't think I really put it quite right; its late and I'm a little delirious. Good writers, in a sense, have the ability to write in multiple personalities. Anna Karenina is a book that any man or woman can relate to. Before she met Vronsky, Anna came to visit her brother because he was involved in an affair and she was there to mediate between him as his wife. Despite hypocrisy she has an affair with Vronsky soon after. The same Vronsky that his niece was going to marry! The whole book is about the hypocrisy of human life, which everyone encounters. The life of the people in this book are real. Real, in the sense that it is not some insensible fantasy story but the characters has a mind as much as we do. Tolstoy was a credited writer even 100 years after his death. You have to be some kind of a freak to write a multi-volume work that is united across all pages. How many characters are there that he had to write about? He didn't half-ass any of them, each one was a crafted piece of his mind. Have you ever picked up a book and felt the same emotions as a character in the book? No? Well it is kind of like watching a movie, but I feel it even more. Because I get to read their thoughts. Can people fall in love with a character in a book? Hell yes. Romantically? Yeah. I have a friend that recommended me to read The Time Traveler's Wife and she didn't need to tell me that she loved Henry. Fifty Shades of Grey? The softcore porn novel is actually popular. Your mom probably reads it. My mom would read it if she spoke more English, or if she wasn't a reverend. I just wanted to say that if a character in a well written novel can fall in love with another character, there must be something worth learning from him. If a man in a book can turn on a woman in real life, why shouldn't we use learn something from him? I'm sorry that my original post didn't exactly mean what I wanted to say.

Author:	JimmyStyles [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:43 am ]
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Quote: Quote: what a weird fucking post. Hey, I'm weird. And why is that a bad thing? If I came across as a weirdo believing nonsense I'm sorry, I don't think I really put it quite right; its late and I'm a little delirious. Good writers, in a sense, have the ability to write in multiple personalities. Anna Karenina is a book that any man or woman can relate to. Before she met Vronsky, Anna came to visit her brother because he was involved in an affair and she was there to mediate between him as his wife. Despite hypocrisy she has an affair with Vronsky soon after. The same Vronsky that his niece was going to marry! The whole book is about the hypocrisy of human life, which everyone encounters. The life of the people in this book are real. Real, in the sense that it is not some insensible fantasy story but the characters has a mind as much as we do. Tolstoy was a credited writer even 100 years after his death. You have to be some kind of a freak to write a multi-volume work that is united across all pages. How many characters are there that he had to write about? He didn't half-ass any of them, each one was a crafted piece of his mind. Have you ever picked up a book and felt the same emotions as a character in the book? No? Well it is kind of like watching a movie, but I feel it even more. Because I get to read their thoughts. Can people fall in love with a character in a book? Hell yes. Romantically? Yeah. I have a friend that recommended me to read The Time Traveler's Wife and she didn't need to tell me that she loved Henry. Fifty Shades of Grey? The softcore porn novel is actually popular. Your mom probably reads it. My mom would read it if she spoke more English, or if she wasn't a reverend. I just wanted to say that if a character in a well written novel can fall in love with another character, there must be something worth learning from him. If a man in a book can turn on a woman in real life, why shouldn't we use learn something from him? I'm sorry that my original post didn't exactly mean what I wanted to say. I admire your passion for reading! Makes me want to read more

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Author:	Kirin [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:03 am ]
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Quote: what a weird fucking post. Like'd But seriously, develop your own personality. You can act but women have superman vision they can see through your bullshit.

Author:	smooth_criminal [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:05 am ]
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I'm working it the other way around -- writing a book about a character (loosely based on myself) that moves to L.A. to become an actor. Decides to give method acting a shot, and the role he plays is an amoral womanizer, which is an almost 180 shift from the romantic lady-killer he is in real life. I just finished a scene where he's in Las Vegas getting the best blowjob of his life from this girl he met only about half an hour earlier in the hotel bar. I wrote that directly from my own experience when I was out in Vegas a few months ago. The dialogue is pretty much word for word and so is the action -- only the names get changed to protect the not at all innocent. Taking a cue from Anais Nin who wrote journals and erotic lit and mixed them together. Its new territory for me because this character is making me tread new ground. He becomes fearless once he commits to his character and I'm doing the same. At the end of the process, I'm curious to see how much I (and he) will become what I create, both on paper and in reality.

Author:	IagoSydney [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:22 am ]
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Kirin is right bro (and so is detox to a degree - although i wouldnt have said it like he did) What makes a person want to drop their own personality and become a fictional character? It speaks volumes about your self-perception. Try to take the angle of picking up some of their characteristics - but dont 'become the embodiment of a character from a book'. That IS weird and women will see through it!

Author:	Thessius [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:43 pm ]
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Brother, you're passion for reading is awesome. Books help build our pillars. However, I believe that books only contribute very little, especially when you're out there in the battlefield. I believe that the knowledge a book enlightens us with helps in broadening our perspective of the the world and cannot be relied on wholeheartedly, again, especially in the heat of the moment. Why. Because, as Sun Tzu said, when viewing things in a perspective of war -no battle is ever exactly the same. Thus if you rely on trying to pull out and abide by things that have worked in the past you're doomed to fail. The world c instantly changes, everyone's different, and their differences are influenced by the times, places, and people that they are surrounded by. All in all: read, learn. But whenever you approach a lady, or anything for that matter, do so by taking risk and forgetting everything you've learned before hand. In the heat of it, if you rmr something youve read, sure, let it influence the interaction if you think itll help. You'll become much better at approaching women this way.

Author:	smooth_criminal [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:33 pm ]
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I think what a lot of people are saying here -- and I know this is what I'm saying -- is that you need to write your own story where you are your own main character. If you want to be a "character" that reads books to learn about women there's nothing wrong with that. Read and learn from everything -- absorb what is useful. But since most (fiction) books are thematic stories with pre-destined outcomes you can't really use those as a blueprint for real life. Real life gets surreal sometimes. In a book, the main character might call up the girl, go out on a date, get a romantic kiss at the end of the night, go home content and feeling like he has met the love of his life, which usually (because it's a book) he has. I don't know about you, but my life has rarely worked out that way. Usually I wind up either getting laid on the first night or getting a number that leads to the "game" phase of the relationship that almost never works out according to plan. You literally could not make up some of the shit I've been through with women -- for better or for worse -- which is why fiction is a fantasy paradigm that should be taken with a grain of salt. The only author I've seen tackle modern relationships realistically is Brett Easton Ellis in "The Rules of Attraction", primarily because he says that all he did was write the things that he saw happening around him and change the names.

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