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I'm not convinced by this whole 'stay sober' notion
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Author:  wannabempua [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  I'm not convinced by this whole 'stay sober' notion
I feel I am able to get closer to my potential when drunk... Not at the point where I'm struggling to stand up but well beyond the point of having a 'buzz'. The biggest problem for most guys is probably confidence in my experience and booze just makes those problems evaporate for me. I used to go out sober but am convinced my game is better when smashed. I did have a one night stand the other night though and could barely get it up / find the hole (a lot of finger work lol)
Author:  Snarg [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:43 pm ]
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Alcohol works wonders for me. Some people can handle their alcohol, others can't. Do what works best for you.
Author:  0uch [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:54 pm ]
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The whole sober crap is BS. As long as you can drink and handle, your good. Also, the girls you meet during sarging at night are party girls. There not exactly looking for Mr.Sober to hang out with. They want guys who party and have fun.

Also, if your day game, sober is the way to go. But night game, I think is better to learn how to game with alcohol in your system. Because if you do meet girls, and have something going with them, your gonna be drinking around them a lot.
Author:  Chris_G [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:15 am ]
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I found that 3 beers is perfect, so much so that i only have 3 now regardless if out sarging or not :D much healthier, no hangovers and much better results at the gym
Author:  Mr. Assertive [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:01 am ]
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As long as you are not getting shitfaced drunk and being a asshole then go for the drinks. A buzz never hurts and acts as a little catalyst. Just remember to know when to stop drinking so you can still think well and get your little pecker up.
Author:  PUA-Enigma [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:58 pm ]
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I think everyone one has a right PUA "blood alcohol level" where they can be high/fun and a bit manic but not so much so that speech is slurred and rubbish is spouted!

2 double vodka/red bull mixers and that gets me in game mode :D
Author:  puaninja [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:08 pm ]
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And also not drinking is seen as a DLV. It makes you look like you're not having a good time or like the girl is a lush compared to you, or that you are just lame or too broke to afford drinks.
Author:  Chinopants [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:43 pm ]
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yup 2 to 3 drinks for the night. Its about right. Also I save one $.
Author:  VietnameseProdigy [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:46 pm ]
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Sober, ALWAYS SOBER.

Try going out for 30 days SOBER. You'll actually get good at game.
Author:  7000 [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:37 pm ]
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I think it depends on what you're trying to achieve and where you are in your pick up 'education'. If you're just looking for a one night lay in a club, then to be perfectly honest anyone can get smashed in a club and sooner or later they'll get a girl home.

If you're relatively new to game and are trying to get more confident, then in many ways you are better off going sober, even if it's only for a couple of times as this will help you build up your confidence.

For me, it's important not to rely on the alcohol. I'm ultimately looking for something more than just a one night stand - don't get me wrong, I still have one night stands, but I know that the only way you can get into a relationship sort of situation (or even more than one date) is by having the skills and confidence to be able to hold a conversation with a girl when sober as well. So I have two goals - one (primarily day game) is to find a girl suitable for a second date, which in the past has invovled working on my confidence and conversation skills etc. The second goal is simply to keep getting laid until I find that relationship girl - and for this second goal it doesn't really matter whether I'm using alcohol or my own natural wit and charm haha.

As long as you're not relying on alcohol all the time, and are developing yourself in terms of confidence and approaching etc. some other way, then there's nothing wrong with using alcohol every now and then, either to get a slight "buzz", or to get really drunk.
Author:  VietnameseProdigy [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:35 am ]
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Alcohol is a crutch, it becomes your anchor. Alcohol will not give you mental blockage and mental masturbation... This might be good for the short term, but what happens when you continue talking to these girls when you're 'out of alcohol state'? You become incongruent.

HOWEVER, you don't want mental blockage and mental masturbation when you're sober. And the only way to reach that level is to PRACTICE SOBER.

Also my dick actually gets hard when I'm sober... so more sexual intent + I can put it in the lil kitty
Author:  The Dice [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:34 am ]
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If you should go out drunk or not is more a matter of perspective. Personally I love going out with some alcohol in my blood, simply because I'm having a better time clubbing! But I wouldn't go as far as saying that the "no alcohol" thing is BS. First of all, you'll be more observant and your game in general (given that you don't have an anxiety sober) is better. As far as the "having fun" part goes, sober guys doesn't nessecarily have to be less fun to hang out with than drunk guys. Yes, you might put down a shield or two if the girls see you with a beer and assume that you are a little drunk, but as long as you have a good energy about you and you are a fun person to be around, it really doesn't matter.

I've tried both, and as pointed out earlier I enjoy being a little drunk when hitting town. The main differences was that when I was sober, I was more aware of the situations and how things were escalating around me. When I was a little drunk I didn't pay as much attention, but on the good side I was escalating more, a tad more persistant and more on "auto-pilot". As VP pointed out, when you are in an alcohol-state you might act differently if you chose to game your SNLs on day 2, but simply being aware of it (both when out and when reinitating contact) is often enough.
Author:  HeavyRota8tion [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:43 am ]
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And also not drinking is seen as a DLV. It makes you look like you're not having a good time or like the girl is a lush compared to you, or that you are just lame or too broke to afford drinks.
So not true.
Author:  JohnnyValentine [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:04 am ]
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I found that 3 beers is perfect, so much so that i only have 3 now regardless if out sarging or not :D much healthier, no hangovers and much better results at the gym
This is exactly same as me. Healthy diet and working out is a great reason for keeping your alcohol intake to a limit.

It's DLV if you make it sound like your a boring fuck but if your assertive and passionate for your reasons not to get 'smashed', then it can be DHV.
Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:06 am ]
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If you're trying to master every aspect of game as quickly as possible, yea stay sober. If you wanna have an overall good time have a few drinks. I have a tipping point where I go from feeling good to feeling drunk, and I just ride that point all night.

Being an old fart ( 29 :lol: ) the BIGGEST thing I regret when it comes to alcohol is the hotties I lost because I ended up so drunk I could barely stand up. Had a HB9 mino-channel tv presenter in the bag midway through the night, kept drinking, yep bad move blew it, HB9 stripper same story, and there was a few others. That stripper probably would've been the hottest chick I ever fucked but I blew it cause I kept drinking. Never again.
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