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Author:  bartm [ Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  criticize my conversation
Hi guys
so today I grew some balls and talked to a girl on the street. but I messed up. So I am trying to figure out what i did wrong so I can learn for the future. I will write the conversation as far as i remember. I was very nervous and dont remember it exactly.

so this girl was by this house that was for rent, writing down the phone number. so i said "what are you supposed to be?" (referring to halloween). she was not wearing a costume, just regular clothes.
she said "an angel"
I said "are you middle eastern?"
she says "why?"
I said "your eyes look middle eastern, but the rest of you, i feel like you are not middle eastern"
she says "no, I am originally from Czech republic"
i said "you are trying to lease this place?"
she says "yes, I am trying to find a couple of girls so live with, we all save on rent. this place is so affordable, only $1500 for a 2 bedroom"
I said "that sounds expensive (because i didnt want to be a nice guy and agree with her, i thought you are supposed to challenge her?)
she says "no, i mean you also get a private parking, it's cheap"
I said "well, if you find any girls, invite me over, we could all have fun. you know what i mean by fun?"
she said "why dont you be more specific? I dont know"
I said "well, you know, "fun"?
she said "are you trying to set up an orgy?"
I said (very nervously, i couldnt believe i didnt already have my ass kicked by this time) "yes?"
she said "that's gonna cost you a lot of money, my friend"
I said "it's going to cost YOU a lot of money. But I am not a prostitute"
at this point, she says "well, this conversation is over"
I said "so are you Jewish?"
she said "I was born Jewish, but not really"
I said "are you a lesbian?"
she said "what? what are you, some kind of "
I said "no"
she said "let me guess, you are an attorney?"
I said "no, I am a garbage man. I deliver garbage to people's houses."
she said "yeah, I find that hard to believe."
I said "whats your name?"
she said "why?"
I said "I just wanna know"
she said "this conversation is over, move right along"
Then I said bye and left, and she did not even say bye.

I tried to 1. not be boring 2. not be a nice guy and agree with everything she says

so what did i do wrong? Please be as honest as possible. Honesty will help me improve, sugar coating things will not.
Author:  VietnameseProdigy [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:13 am ]
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this whole concept of not agreeing with her is retarded

your vibe wasn't good, you didn't express intent in a good way

I did a few approaches today

this was a convo I had a few hours ago
Me: HEY TINKERBELL!
Her: (She looks at me and smiles)
Me: You're cute, what's your name?
I extend my arm out for a handshake,
Her: Stephanie, what's yours?
She shakes my hand, and then I pull her in for a hug.
Me: VP, nice to meet ya, kisses on the cheek
I kissed both her cheeks
Her: I love kisses! Why aren't you dressed?
Me: I'm too sexy for halloween
She laughs
Me: I'm an Asian, can't ya tell?
Her: No not at all
Me: Every year I go around dressed as an Asian. And I always win the costume contests. Except one year I lost because they said I had to drop my pants and show them my
(I look down at my cock)
She starts laughing hysterically
Me: What are you up to?
Her: I was headed home until you came up and talked to me
Me: I thought you liked kisses
Her: I do, you're so straight forward
Me: That's how I roll girl, listen, lets hangout sometime
Her: Yeah we can do that
Me: cool, put your number in my phone
Her: Sorry, I don't give my number out to strangers

I wasn't sure if she was joking, or if she was being fucking serious. She looked serious though. This statement almost caused me to react like a needy chode, but I kept my cool

Me: That's cool, it was nice meeting you
(I started kind of walking away as a joke)
Her: wait I was just kidding
Me: don't embarrass me in front of my friends girl
I whip out my phone and give it to her
Her: what? where are your friends
Me: There (I start pointing at every guy/girl walking by) those are my friends
She starts laughing, and gives me back my phone

We talk a little bit more about stuff then I invited her to a friend's party tonight, she's coming. And she's gonna be my nice little tinkerbell
Author:  Br3ezy [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:44 am ]
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Shoulda walked away and started to flip cold man! Then right before she loses hope you switch it up again

Edit: as for OP, try not to ask questions that are yes or no. Ask questions that get their opinions
Author:  NorthBoy [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: criticize my conversation
Quote:
I said "well, if you find any girls, invite me over, we could all have fun. you know what i mean by fun?"
she said "why dont you be more specific? I dont know"
I said "well, you know, "fun"?
haha omg you made me laugh so hard! There is where you messed up. It totally ment sex did it :twisted: ? After, you were just trying to recover a conversation that was already lost. I liked the "invite me over, we could all have fun". However, the "you know what I mean by fun?" is beyond creepy. Why didn't you just say something like "set up a party and I'll bring a whole bottle of fun to your party". VietnameseProdigy's convo is how you want it to go.
Author:  Dave Blaze [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:57 am ]
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Bravo Viet, shame on you Bartem. Thats what I was talking about when being random... If your random and you don't have anything clever to say or comeback you will look like an idiot lol. I would of stopped when you started letting her guess what "fun" meant. Girls like to talk about themselves you should of just kept elaborating on things she was saying even more and added in different topics.
Author:  0uch [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:09 am ]
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LMAO!

Take it as a learning experience. Been there. Also, is not about agreeing or not. Is about being honest.
Author:  xxAistAxx [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:56 am ]
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hahahahah

i love this guy, it was ballsy but u fucked it up by sounding creepy

i agree with the dude who said the 'if you know what i mean by fun' part being the game changer, it ruined the vibe you were building.

And in all honesty don't worry about the playing a bad guy thing, just be confident, be a man. This doesn't mean not being a 'good' guy, and being a jerk, it means be 100% yourself without giving a fuck of what others think.
Author:  Don Horneone [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: criticize my conversation
Quote:
I said "well, if you find any girls, invite me over, we could all have fun. you know what i mean by fun?"
she said "why dont you be more specific? I dont know"
I said "well, you know, "fun"?
she said "are you trying to set up an orgy?"
I said (very nervously, i couldnt believe i didnt already have my ass kicked by this time) "yes?"
she said "that's gonna cost you a lot of money, my friend"
I said "it's going to cost YOU a lot of money. But I am not a prostitute"
at this point, she says "well, this conversation is over"
I facepalmed for about 10 seconds at the "you know what I mean by fun?" line. However, the "that's gonna cost you a lot of money, my friend" was a clear shit test, if your response had been good you might have got away with it, but "it's going to cost YOU a lot of money. But I am not a prostitute" doesn't even make sense!
Author:  machiavillain [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:46 pm ]
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However, the "that's gonna cost you a lot of money, my friend" was a clear shit test, if your response had been good you might have got away with it, but "it's going to cost YOU a lot of money. But I am not a prostitute" doesn't even make sense!
I completely agree with this. Yes, you were random, but at the same time you were direct about your intentions before this reply. If you look at all of our reactions, we are laughing. DUDE this is great! Your ballsyness made her react in the same way. And she tested you by saying the cost you reply. If you had kept being direct and clever you could've kept going. But all in all. Seriously great job for the approach and even better job for leaving behind any insecurities and being direct about your intentions shown in your replies. You, my friend, accomplished your goal number 1 of not being boring. Not bad for a first time.
Author:  HeavyRota8tion [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:53 pm ]
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That text convo hurt my eyes.
Author:  bartm [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:19 pm ]
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Quote:
Quote:
However, the "that's gonna cost you a lot of money, my friend" was a clear shit test, if your response had been good you might have got away with it, but "it's going to cost YOU a lot of money. But I am not a prostitute" doesn't even make sense!
I completely agree with this. Yes, you were random, but at the same time you were direct about your intentions before this reply. If you look at all of our reactions, we are laughing. DUDE this is great! Your ballsyness made her react in the same way. And she tested you by saying the cost you reply. If you had kept being direct and clever you could've kept going. But all in all. Seriously great job for the approach and even better job for leaving behind any insecurities and being direct about your intentions shown in your replies. You, my friend, accomplished your goal number 1 of not being boring. Not bad for a first time.
Hi guys
I did not recognize that "that's going to cost you a lot of money" is a shit test. I think I have a good idea what a shit test is, it means when a girl gives you a hard time to see how you will react, like "you are not my type" right?
I also wasn't quite sure what she meant. I have this problem a lot, English is not my first language and I dont understand a lot of slangs. "that's going to cost you a lot of money" does that mean she wants money in exchange for sex? but she is not a prostitute?
so can you give me some examples of how I could have passed that shit test?
Author:  puaninja [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:30 pm ]
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"you know what i mean by fun?"

That is where you went wrong plain and simple. It was obvious that you were making a sexual inference there, so you didn't need to explain it further. When she asked you what you meant, this was just her way of setting you up to fail that shit test. It was a bad thread that you should've cut loose, but instead you just kept tugging at it and the whole interaction imploded from there.

I can relate to this, however. you open a set and do some assumptive/observational commentary, then you small talk and bullshit them a bit. There's no real clear direction with your routine, especially if you are trying to go mostly natural. It doesn't take long before the conversation hits a dead end or goes down a bad road.
Author:  Don Horneone [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:35 pm ]
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It's about the context. I say it's a shit test because (a) another girl might have slapped you or walked away and she didn't, therefore she had some level of interest and (b) because she seemed to be trying to challenge you by asserting HER value over yours.

I wouldn't have gone down this route to begin with, but since you did, you could have said:

"really? I think it's really ugly when people get money involved with sex. I think we should be able to love each other freely. If something feels good you should just do it, don't you think?"

Your actual response:
Quote:
I said "it's going to cost YOU a lot of money. But I am not a prostitute"
was reactive and there's nothing that turns a girl off like reactivity, hence why she responded with ""well, this conversation is over".

Like someone else said, you showed balls by making this approach and sticking with it as much as you did. I think "show, don't tell" might be a good rule for you for the future :)
Author:  d749 [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:07 pm ]
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that was horrible. you probably just stopped them from moving in because theyre all gunna thing ur a creep
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