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| Author: | Muttonchop [ Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Transitioning from Asshole Game to Sex |
I am getting very good at building interest and getting tons of IOIs from women. But I fee that I get stuck at this point as the guy women want to shag but they don't want to risk getting rejected by me because I am such an asshole to their other "requests". But I also cannot build trust because it goes against by new found asshole nature, which is what is baiting me all of this fish. Help much appreciated. |
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| Author: | detox75 [ Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:25 pm ] |
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You need to switch from attraction heavy mode to rapport heavy mode. You can accomplish this a few ways 1. by showing vulnerability like giving her a cold read relating to her tough exterior but kindness inside than relating that same thing to yourself. 2. giving her some sincere unqualified compliments (only when you know shes attracted) 3. hand-holding, rub small of back or nape of neck. Not kino escalation per se. Make sure you are calibrated correctly and she is invested and attracted first. In my opinion attraction is much harder than rapport but that may be just due to personality differences. |
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| Author: | 0uch [ Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:09 am ] |
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Omg, I use to game like that. It gets you no where. 100% agree with detox. |
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| Author: | Muttonchop [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Transitioning from Asshole Game to Sex |
@detox75 and ouch: Thank you very much for your reply guys. For anyone else who reads this, I just want to confirm that what detox75 and ouch turned out to be true: I am making much more progress by adding in warmth and kindness into my asshole nature. I would say that my progress went like this: 1st phase - AFC...Didn't dress well or groom myself. Didn't hit the gym. Was a nice guy and needy. I basically didn't love myself. 2nd phase - I became bitter towards women and cut off most interactions. This didn't obviously get me anywhere. Even if women were attracted to this nature, they made sure I didn't see signs of attraction from them. 3rd phase - Definitely stopped being a nice guy. Became less bitter. I interacted with women. This is when I first discovered the power of negs. Got heavy heavy attraction and intrigue signals. But women would then become reserved around me. They would censor themselves. I sensed they felt afraid and insecure. The reason I believe negs worked so well in this phase is because I still didn't act and dress like a guy who got laid. Hence these women would expect AFC speech from me but got surprised when they heard me negging them or generally showing anti-rapport. 4th phase - I started dressing well, got a sexy haircut, and started behavior modification. I finally was perceived by women as someone who got laid. At this point, negs stopped becoming effective. I didn't even have to open my mouth. Women would immediately perceive me as sexy. Negging them at this point would make me too hard to get and they would just run away because my attainability was too low (i.e. they thought they couldnt get me no matter what. Think of how you don't even consider romancing most HB 10s.) Chase calls this auto-rejection. This brings me finally to: 5th and current phase - I have now added warmth to my character. I am still NOT a "nice guy" that women can walk over. But I don't neg anymore. I also genuinely care about the women I am interacting with. I see myself as someone who can make her feel good, both about herself and also sexually. And this is improved my interactions a lot. I am working SPAM on conversation skills and giving value to people around me. Giving Value is a very important tool I have discovered. I make others feel good about themselves, which makes them want to hang around me. I still have a long way to go, but I hope this is helpful in some ways. I am hoping that it acts as both a small success story as well as providing a road map. Look at where you are right now and see what you can add to give you the biggest positive reinforcement. I recommend starting with INNER GAME stuff. BECOME, rather than act, a sexy and confident guy. Peace. |
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