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Author:  Wilheim [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Have you really got what it takes?
So this is just a quick question and really i want everyones opinion. I was just wondering, a lot of people enter game for a lot of different reasons, but the end product is essentially to gain confidence and be outstanding with interaction, and most importantly with women.

Personally I am 21 and have slept with more than a socially acceptable number of women for my age, but have never been able to walk up to "that girl" and seduce her. I.e. never have I had a target and thought wow i want her and made her mine. This really is the next step in my game and its a goal i have failed to reach over the last 2 years.

If I'm honest its because i flick in and out of game and never really put enough into it, but i think i can honestly say its something I want to be able to do now. "I want my girl".

So I guess my question is: Of you guys that have failed in your ambitions, why have you failed? And therefore what do you think it takes to take you to that level and what will you change?

I expect a lot fewer to answer the next question, for those of you who have achieved all of what you wanted to achieve, apart from the routines what got you to where I want to be and where we all want to be now?

And for those who have failed, join me in changing your life to the one you know it can be, after all, its the reason we are all here now.
Author:  Zolstice [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:32 pm ]
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I love sex, even though you can probably count the number of times I've had it with two hands. My end goal coming into the PUA world is that I can approach any woman I want seduce her into bed. Highly idealistic but that was my dream.

Coming in and I had no game and no experience with woman. In fact, I was so desperate I paid for sex twice (the first time to see what it was like and the second to make sure the first time was real). I had never had a girlfriend nor had I even kissed a girl.

First and foremost, I wanted a girlfriend. And because of PUA, I was able to get a girlfriend. Had my first kiss and sex that I didn't have to pay for. We've broken up now but the experience I've gained has helped me become sexual with other women in my life because I have done it once, I can do it again.

Of course, these are women in my life, not complete strangers. So in terms of my day game or clubbing, I still suck at it because I never go out and actually hit on complete strangers...but having broken up with my girlfriend I feel the urge and motivation to start getting on the streets and become a true PUA
Author:  LD [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you really got what it takes?
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So I guess my question is: Of you guys that have failed in your ambitions, why have you failed? And therefore what do you think it takes to take you to that level and what will you change?

I expect a lot fewer to answer the next question, for those of you who have achieved all of what you wanted to achieve, apart from the routines what got you to where I want to be and where we all want to be now?

And for those who have failed, join me in changing your life to the one you know it can be, after all, its the reason we are all here now.
Hey mate,

I used to be different. I used to be just a regular guy. Quite talkative, but shy around girls. I had this idea that you have to be just plain cool to get girls. You had to have amazing looks and just be popular. also, i figured that women wanted a mysterious somebody, but he had to be a nice guy. Just being overtly sexual was not done!

I changed a lot because i wanted to change. However, most of the things that mattered to me back then (values etc) are still valuable to me. I think PUA and seduction (who are two different things for me btw) broadened my horizons, gave me new insights.

I started out like so many, with routines. I conquered my shyness pretty fast, however the anxiety of approaching never really goes away entirely. As of today, it still gives me a thrill. I brainstormed on routines, adapted them to different situations, went out and tried it.

On several occasions i had witty responses for bitch shields written on tiny papers in my wallet. I felt like a boss. The first time i actually needed them, it came to me that it is just weird to grab my wallet, pull out a tiny paper and say a line. So i crashed. Lots of times.

Fast enough (i think 6 months) though i could open anybody. and i did. I went out all by myself, making one night friends along the way. With some trickery, i managed to go out and not pay for a single drink. I can say i opened hundreds of sets, solo women on countless occasions. However, i didnt manage to get laid. Many opportunities passed me by. Kissing opportunities, kino opportunities even plain obvious fucks. And i would go home alone, thinking, sobbing.

My biggest problem back then was that i lacked the balls to go sexual. that is the core of what went wrong. I was a wooly vagina.

On hte other side, i did learn amazing social skills and i ended up in a relation with a HB2000. She was everything i looked for, and more: a big liar. the relationship ended dramatically for me, but i was at a point where i just didnt care anymore. I read about honesty ('radical honesty' changed my life) and mode one. From one day to another, i just made the switch. that is what changed me.

I threw away all that was ego for brutal honesty. do mind, it was brutal but not without respect nor rude. I just told everybody what was on my mind. I lost a lot of what i though to be friends. I gained a few good friends, which has grown into very deep friendships.

I also decided to just do the same towards women. So i went out and just did it. I went out, went looking for the women i found very attractive and i opened them with lines like:
- hey, yeah, look, i think you are hot as hell / smoking hot/ very sexy/ really attractive! i want to get to know you.
- hey, sorry to interrupt you while you are doing whatever it is you are doing, but you turn me on. I want to get to know you, sexually. Lets go for a sauna on thursday.

stuff like that. sometimes i went 'over the line x-rated' and sometimes i just was direct in what i wanted. depending on how i felt. I opened sets like that, totally ignoring everybody else, male or female, just focussing on the girl i though was hot. People addressed me about it, people from the set, bypassers, friends of mine, i got a lot of critique on what i did. But i never got bitchslapped. Just one time i got drinks on me. That is it! Once out of... i dont know how many.

So you might say practice and just going out there is what got me where i am now. And where am i now? The total of women i slept with is not big at all. I had a number of one night swings, but that didnt really made it for me. Unsatisfying for a reason.

For the last couple of years i am able to make a target and i am pretty confident that i get what i want. Its not a 100% success rate, but if i had to put a number on it, i would say 80%. I chose quality over quantity, heavily qualifying, creating high quality fuck buddy relationships. Good looks alone doesnt do it anymore like it used to do. What i want is killer looks with diabolic sexuality.

I have not achieved all i wanted and i think i never will. There are a few women i badly want to have sex with, but seemingly i cant get. While it stings that i cant seem to get them, it comforts me when i think 'its their loss'.

On the other side, all of my fuckbuddies were and are girls/women from whom i thought: i want you, badly.

I tried to shed some insight into my world. I figure it might look a bit chaotic though. Still, i think it might be valuable.

In short:
- why i used to fail: because of myself and my fears.
- how did i end up where i am now: because i threw away all the 'what ifs' and just did. I switched from doing what is required of me to doing what i really wanted to do. Just do.

So what would i advice? go out and do. deliberately cross your limits of what you think is acceptable and what is not, as long as you dont break the law ofcourse. Example: plain telling a woman that i want sex was not done for me.
Be honest towards others (which is the easy part) but also be honest towards yourself. Excuses were a great barrier for success in my story. Perseverance, as in: go for what you want and let nothing stop you, but on the other hand: know when you have to stop. Example: if you tell a woman you want sex with her, just like that, and she says no and walks away, that is pretty clear she doesnt want to. State what you wnat, dont enforce what you want.

Pff, i hope this is coming through :). if not, or something is not clear, shoot!

good luck!
Author:  TheLadiesMan [ Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:23 am ]
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Im not gonna lie, i enjoy it a lot. LOL One day I will settle down and I know I have what it takes, but right now im just enjoying life while im still young. Got plenty of time ahead of me to plan that approach of settling down with just one.
Author:  Wilheim [ Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you really got what it takes?
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So I guess my question is: Of you guys that have failed in your ambitions, why have you failed? And therefore what do you think it takes to take you to that level and what will you change?

I expect a lot fewer to answer the next question, for those of you who have achieved all of what you wanted to achieve, apart from the routines what got you to where I want to be and where we all want to be now?

And for those who have failed, join me in changing your life to the one you know it can be, after all, its the reason we are all here now.
Hey mate,

I used to be different. I used to be just a regular guy. Quite talkative, but shy around girls. I had this idea that you have to be just plain cool to get girls. You had to have amazing looks and just be popular. also, i figured that women wanted a mysterious somebody, but he had to be a nice guy. Just being overtly sexual was not done!

I changed a lot because i wanted to change. However, most of the things that mattered to me back then (values etc) are still valuable to me. I think PUA and seduction (who are two different things for me btw) broadened my horizons, gave me new insights.

I started out like so many, with routines. I conquered my shyness pretty fast, however the anxiety of approaching never really goes away entirely. As of today, it still gives me a thrill. I brainstormed on routines, adapted them to different situations, went out and tried it.

On several occasions i had witty responses for bitch shields written on tiny papers in my wallet. I felt like a boss. The first time i actually needed them, it came to me that it is just weird to grab my wallet, pull out a tiny paper and say a line. So i crashed. Lots of times.

Fast enough (i think 6 months) though i could open anybody. and i did. I went out all by myself, making one night friends along the way. With some trickery, i managed to go out and not pay for a single drink. I can say i opened hundreds of sets, solo women on countless occasions. However, i didnt manage to get laid. Many opportunities passed me by. Kissing opportunities, kino opportunities even plain obvious fucks. And i would go home alone, thinking, sobbing.

My biggest problem back then was that i lacked the balls to go sexual. that is the core of what went wrong. I was a wooly vagina.

On hte other side, i did learn amazing social skills and i ended up in a relation with a HB2000. She was everything i looked for, and more: a big liar. the relationship ended dramatically for me, but i was at a point where i just didnt care anymore. I read about honesty ('radical honesty' changed my life) and mode one. From one day to another, i just made the switch. that is what changed me.

I threw away all that was ego for brutal honesty. do mind, it was brutal but not without respect nor rude. I just told everybody what was on my mind. I lost a lot of what i though to be friends. I gained a few good friends, which has grown into very deep friendships.

I also decided to just do the same towards women. So i went out and just did it. I went out, went looking for the women i found very attractive and i opened them with lines like:
- hey, yeah, look, i think you are hot as hell / smoking hot/ very sexy/ really attractive! i want to get to know you.
- hey, sorry to interrupt you while you are doing whatever it is you are doing, but you turn me on. I want to get to know you, sexually. Lets go for a sauna on thursday.

stuff like that. sometimes i went 'over the line x-rated' and sometimes i just was direct in what i wanted. depending on how i felt. I opened sets like that, totally ignoring everybody else, male or female, just focussing on the girl i though was hot. People addressed me about it, people from the set, bypassers, friends of mine, i got a lot of critique on what i did. But i never got bitchslapped. Just one time i got drinks on me. That is it! Once out of... i dont know how many.

So you might say practice and just going out there is what got me where i am now. And where am i now? The total of women i slept with is not big at all. I had a number of one night swings, but that didnt really made it for me. Unsatisfying for a reason.

For the last couple of years i am able to make a target and i am pretty confident that i get what i want. Its not a 100% success rate, but if i had to put a number on it, i would say 80%. I chose quality over quantity, heavily qualifying, creating high quality fuck buddy relationships. Good looks alone doesnt do it anymore like it used to do. What i want is killer looks with diabolic sexuality.

I have not achieved all i wanted and i think i never will. There are a few women i badly want to have sex with, but seemingly i cant get. While it stings that i cant seem to get them, it comforts me when i think 'its their loss'.

On the other side, all of my fuckbuddies were and are girls/women from whom i thought: i want you, badly.

I tried to shed some insight into my world. I figure it might look a bit chaotic though. Still, i think it might be valuable.

In short:
- why i used to fail: because of myself and my fears.
- how did i end up where i am now: because i threw away all the 'what ifs' and just did. I switched from doing what is required of me to doing what i really wanted to do. Just do.

So what would i advice? go out and do. deliberately cross your limits of what you think is acceptable and what is not, as long as you dont break the law ofcourse. Example: plain telling a woman that i want sex was not done for me.
Be honest towards others (which is the easy part) but also be honest towards yourself. Excuses were a great barrier for success in my story. Perseverance, as in: go for what you want and let nothing stop you, but on the other hand: know when you have to stop. Example: if you tell a woman you want sex with her, just like that, and she says no and walks away, that is pretty clear she doesnt want to. State what you wnat, dont enforce what you want.

Pff, i hope this is coming through :). if not, or something is not clear, shoot!

good luck!
Cheers buddy, I didnt really expect someone to come up with anything of such substance as I wasnt asking why an HB 8 didnt return a voicemail and what should I do? So thanks for your honesty and advice

I think so many people miss what game is really about. Each time I have returned to it I cant think there was a goal. I think now for me it will be closing. I think I have become the alpha male that I previously craved to be and it has got me laid, but now I have this relatively new goal that i supposed in reality existed the whole time.

I think my fail is just that I never take those shots I find approaching really tough depending on my mindset....(unless im on shit hot form I find it difficult to grow balls). So I'm gunna take those shots. Promise.

Im going out tonight, I will definitely have in mind that it is their loss and not mine if it doesnt come off. Hopefully this will start to get me there.

Cheers again,
Wilheim.
Author:  GKS [ Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:19 pm ]
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I have heard about pickup about 2 years back, read a bunch of stuffs but never really gotten hardcore into it until one day I realized everything has changed, from the way I look at women to the way I act in front of them. Everything I read is subconsciously carved into my brain. That's when I decided to push forward with it and changed my life dramatically. I learned countless routines and techniques, from cold readings to even magic. I took the whole DHV to its core and try to cloak myself with some famous PUA's personalities. Then I was lost, couldn't find my own frame. Only to realized I have been doing it wrong. PUA is more like a stepping stone or building blocks to improve your confidence and overall, it's not just about picking up and seduce women. To men, nowadays, it's more about being a better self, making my life more interesting and my own personality shined. That was couple months ago, I switched to my own frame and sticked with direct game since I have never had problem with going sexual. The root of my problem was my reluctance to be social and inability to keep in touch with people. I rarely went out and opened to strangers but when I did, I could easily drew them into my frames.

Why do I fail?

- I wanted an overnight transformation, hence I tried to be someone else, literally like that saying "fake it till you make it". I found the best way to avoid this is sit down, make a pro and cons of your traits and best your good ones as well as fix your bad ones. Face your fears, you won't grow if you stay the same.

- Procrastination. I kept reading stuffs but putting off practices which is bad. Constant results whether if it's bad or good, will keep you motivated and improve your game tremendously. This is important for fixing AA.

- I don't have sex a lot and pretty bad at it so I grabbed on to every opportunity to do so aka I always tried to push for f-close on first date. Even though I appeared confident and have good game, women can still sense that desperation somehow.

- I tend to avoid social interaction subconsciously, this has nothing to do with social anxiety, in fact, I don't have it. It has more to do with my laziness, I'm quite an unmotivated fellow in every aspect in life, I don't have that passionate drive that everyone has. I'm trying to change that, because opportunities aren't bestowed themselves upon you, you have to at least hold out your hands to grab it.

- My inconsistent frame. I have a humorous witty, interesting and confident frame, women like it. But sometimes I tend to be too eager and lose it occasionally. It's not a big deal since we human are flawed, but there was times it falls into the "make it or break it" moment. Consistence in frame and vibe is important.

Overall, I went from a AFC who usually got laid by people I well know and maybe once every couple months to someone who is confidently enough to open and sexual escalate strangers into one night stand with me. I'm great at sexual framing and the draw back from it is that I usually got one night stand since women do find me unsafe for relationship, that or I never pushed for relationship since my main focus was to improving my sex skills. I still have AA, I still get nervous but at least nowadays I can walk up to a random HB10 and have a normal conversation which would never happened back then unless I'm friend with her.
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