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Author:  Criss hell [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:28 am ]
Post subject:  100% flaky numbers for last 2 months-Need HELP!!
So here i my story:
for the last 2 months, all of the numbers I got were flaky and they don't answer my text or call. It's getting frustrating for me,
Please don't tell me I didn't get in comfort stage with hbs.My whole focus is getting in comfort with hb.So last weekend, I opened just 2 sets and I number closed both. I spent more than half an hour with each set and the hb.I tried to get to know them , kino them and I made them to invest in the conversation and we agreed to see each other later to do something which was interesting for both of us
Especially in the second set, there were 4 hbs sitting down and I approached the target and sat next to my target hb and we spoke for more than half an hour she was totally in to me. She touched me a lot and saw jealousy in the set and when I asked for her number she got my phone and put her number in to my phone.Even after that, I didn't leave the set and spoke with hb and her friends for more 5 mins. I have no fucking idea what's going on. My only guess is that they met other guys after me and they just forgot me and since I am not american they don't trust me enough to answer me.
Guys any idea what I am doing wrong??
Author:  Criss hell [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:44 am ]
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By your story it seems to me like you are doing mostly everything correct except for one thing: You dont verify numbers on the spot. You do set expectations, you do make sure they wanna hang out afterwards but you dont check if its flakey digits you got.

A perfect way to do this is to text her something funny or crazy directly after you get the number. If she doesnt get the text the number is a flake and you neg her / call her out on it, if she gets the text you will get one more laugh out of her while you have made sure that the number is legit.
hey Budy, thank you for the response. I usually got numbers on weekends and around 11 pm to 1 am. I called them when I got the number to have a miss call from me even they save my name .So afterwards I usually text them around 1:30 am like :
Me:Get home safe X. -Alex
I avoid texts like "nice to meet you" etc...
If there better text to send immediately after meeting her please let me know. But I am pretty sure I have the right number...

BTW, so far I asked several hbs (who were totally non-responsive after getting their number and I had pretty good conversation with them) to give me feedbacks where I did wrong that they decided not to answer and I told I don't take it personally and ask them to give me the honest answer/reason to help me improve my interaction with girls.

Here are 2 answers I got so far :

HB1:
Hey XXX. I want to give you a genuine answer. Honestly, it had zero percent to do with you. You seem to be a lovely guy and very nice. I am just not in a big dating stage right now. I wasn't looking For a date etc when I met you. I am very busy and independent and run a company which takes up a lot of my time so I think romance is just not in my priorities right now. Sorry if I offended you. You are very cool and charming. Don't get down about it. And don't change a thing. I am just very happy alone right now and have no reason to go on dates! Good luck w everything.

HB2:
XXX, I am so sorry! Honestly it is nothing personal. I am still in love with my ex boyfriend and just not really ready to move on yet. You seem like a great guy and I am sure you will meet someone soon. My friend and I found you to be very entertaining and interesting :)

I don't think they gave me their honest answer but there could be some hints in their answers especially the second hb2 who gave me tons of IOIs that I thought I could f close her on the first date even she told me she broke up with her hb 3 months ago and ready for new relationship(WTF?).

Guys any idea?
Author:  Criss hell [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:37 am ]
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You asked chicks you gamed to give you feedback on your game?! Ive heard a lot of crazy shit before but this is a first :)

Dude, gaming is not a friggin job interview where you can ask the interveiwer on some constructive feedback on what to improve. You are giving them SO much power over you its totally fucking insane! Message #1 proves my point since that stuck up little kitten is talking down on you to no extent.

A circus monkey is also entertaining and interesting if you know what i mean but he wont be getting laid. What you want to be percieved as is confident, self-sure, seductive, sexual, funny, light and playful. It kinda seems like you are putting way too much pressure on both yourself and the chicks you are gaming.

Sigh...where are pumpington and Ezo when you need them....
Dude as I said they were done with me and didn't answer my text or call , I think knowing how they would see me would be helpful and there is no harm. I was not circus monkey, as a part of my routines I told the hb and her friend some facts about their personality by looking at their index and ring fingers ( called digit ratio) and they were so impressed by it. It's a not bullshit and it's a scientific test.
Also, don't wanna brag or anything but I am good looking enough and stylish and as I said I kino escalate the hb. So I don't know if I looked like a funny guy who they enjoyed and entertained maybe I am not seductive enough I don't know..
Author:  camdale26 [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:39 am ]
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Hey, a little concept I use that decreases flakes by a large percent is timebridging, have a further look into it, but the basics are when your in comfort mention things or days out that you are planned to do, they can be fake, if she ioi's and try's to make herself a part of the plans then set up a day 2 there and then, don't make it a date, something like "me and a few friends are going to blah blah tomorrow night, wanna come with?" so either way you're going and she's just tagging along, it's not perfect but it cuts down on flakes!
Author:  Ezo [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:08 pm ]
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Allright.

FIrst off, I understand how annoying it is but man you are goin about this all wrong. The first thing you tell us is that "dont tell me I didnt get into comfort" man, you have already decided that you are right, with that attitude you cant expect to improve. Next thing you do is telling us, "she is totally into me", again, that is how you see it, and you are not open to suggestions.

Frankly, if that was the case, you wouldnt get flaky girls.

Bascially, what makes a girl flake? She gets buyers remorse. There is something missing, she is not convinced that you are such a catch when she thinks about it. Normally that is because she doesnt feel comfy around you or that she isnt attracted enough.

Lets assume that you are right and that you got into the comfort zone and that you got her interested.

If that is the case, you were probably high energy and entertaining, a funny guy or maybe good enough to chat with and maybe meet again sometime. However, you werent good enough to invest in even though she may have invested in the conversation.
If you are too entertaining, you are a fun guy to be around when you are in the club but then what? Where is the rest? She doesnt want a guy who is just always entertaining, she wants a man who can be serious too, and emotionally stable and independent.

Maybe you were lacking in one of the more serious departments, the connection has to be there, otherwise you are just another guy, there are millions of guys who are equally attractive so why not go for one that is awesome.

There are a few things that scare girls away too, despite you being attractive. Drama, problems, neediness, anything that brings her anything negative. While I applaud the fact that you asked her what you did wrong and stuff (always good to learn), that translates as begging if it is done wrong. It is not about you, it is about her. She protects herself from guys who are too on, pushing too far. If you are that pushy before you ever date, how pushy will you be afterwards, she may never get rid of you. She wants an attractive guy who has mastered all aspects of life, maturity, humor, entertainment, emotional connection, seriousness, initiative, everything. She does not want anyone who could potentially bring any sort of problems. She wants it easy and troublefree, a breakup should ideally be, "hey we should break up", "oh, ok, have a nice life" that is her ideal no trouble partner.

So maybe something you did made her feel like you are a "problems guy", or you are wrong and she wasnt that "into you" or you may have had less "comfort" than you thought.

Dont worry about that, it happens.

Also if you spent 30 minutes plus in your sets that shows that you are difficult to get rid of, a "problems guy".

The more I think about it, that may have been the problem, you may have come off as too sticky, a chewing gum is good as long as you can spit it out when youre done with it, but it isnt good if it sticks in your hair.

Did you stay in long after you got the number? That could be one reason. When did you leave? How was her mood when you did? Did you feel out of material when you left or did you get the feeling that she wanted you to stay? I always leave on a high to preserve her great opinion of me.

One thing that I think you need to do is to practice reading her and learn girls language. Listen to what she means and not what she says. If she for example says "youre a funny guy" while she looks in another direction, she means, "you bore me, leave".

The way the girls wrote their SMS tell me that they were very careful not to upset you, you got the old "its not you, its me". Another clue to that you were being a potential "problems guy", amybe too needy. Now youre gonna say that hey I was playing it cool and that is possible. But girls can smell needy a mile away. They see right through you.

If you are gonna become great, try thinking like a girl. Its just like, you ahve all the men you want and you wanna choose the best. You dont waste time with everyone that is ok, just the best. Nothing wrong with that. I do that too. When I started out, I cherished each numberclose I got and pulled every string I could get. Nowadays, I send an SMS to maybe 1% of the numbers I get and call even fewer. If they arent worth the trouble, why waste time?

Hope this helps.
Author:  GKS [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:26 pm ]
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Frankly speaking, I dislike night game which seems like what you're focusing on. I follow a very simple rule: night game = SNL, day game = Day 2 or more. I've never tried to set a day 2 with night game nor I asked for numbers. People go to night clubs and bars to get loosen up and relax after their work day or week, to escape their reality and to get laid with no string attached then go back to their usual repetitive life in the morning. If you haven't realized that obvious fact by now, you need to go back and reconsider what you want out of women. I always pushed for SNL during night game.

Day game results in less number flakes in my opinion, the attraction you make will be more solid and genuine.
Author:  Criss hell [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:48 pm ]
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@Ezo:
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Did you stay in long after you got the number? That could be one reason. When did you leave? How was her mood when you did? Did you feel out of material when you left or did you get the feeling that she wanted you to stay? I always leave on a high to preserve her great opinion of me.
Dude thank you for your complete answer. To make it clear, I am not a great PUA but I approached more than 1000 hbs in 2 years.So at leaset I know about the feeling they have and their body language. My surprise was the hb in 4 set.She was in to me and I was the one that decided to leave the set. After getting the number I stayed in the set in 2 mins and left.Also, when I left the set I looked back again on them and I saw that the hb and her friend were looking at me and smiling and I waved hand for them and they waved back. I think it went well and I didn't look needy.
But you are right about buyers remorse. However, I don't have enough time to show all of the aspect of my personality.
I've seen people get number in 5 or 10 mins. I don't know how they proceed later that have better results.

@GKS:
you are right about day game it's much better but I work in the morning and as a result it's not possible for me now.
Author:  Ezo [ Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:44 am ]
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Well, yeah, getting the number is not a problem, the problem is getting her to want to have further contact when she thinks about it. I mean, everyone can use bullshit baffles brain but really, thats all there is to it, it works as long as you keep pushing, not when she has time to relax and think about it.
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