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Author:  Criss hell [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:39 am ]
Post subject:  Good First Date,no kiss close Need to analyze the situation!
So I met this hb 8.5( she is from Europe, tall with great style)at bar last week. She was kinda drunk . I danced with her for 4 min in bar got her out of bar and got her number. She was all over me and she was really open.
So I texted her for few times and called her the day after (Sunday) to meet her.She told me she can't make it. later in night she texted me she can come whenever I am free.
So I texted her last night and met her today.
So first thing she is so young she is 19 and I am 27.So what I did I brought her to a store near my place and told her my birthday is near so I need to buy a vodka so after buying the vodka we came back to my place so that she got familiar with my room.
So we went to a bar after that and we talked for almost 1 hour and half , I tired to kino as much as I could she didn't have any problem but she didn't loose herself up although she was super responsive in speaking and tried to qualify herself.
Anyways, it was 10 pm and she told me she had to get back home. We went together and I tried to get her hand but she didn't like it too much.
Since she had to take bus and there were 2 busses, one coming in 3 mins and the other one 10 mins she told me she will wait for the other one which is 10 mins. good sign for me. Anyways I tried to kino more and I was not satisfied with my kinos. At the end I first kissed her 3 times on the cheek and tired to kiss closed I felt she was not completely in to it so she kissed me 2 times on the chick again. I think I pushed her.
I think everything was good except the I couldn't get her hand and kiss close her.
I think it could be because of her memory toward me on first meeting which was completely opposite or maybe she is so young.
I texted her when I got home:
Me:had fun with you tonight. sleep well ;)
After less than 5 min:
hb:yes, it was nice hanging out with you.Goodnight!

Some part of me saying I didn't do great. Can guys analyze the situation? to be honest I like her.
Author:  GKS [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:31 am ]
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Whenever a girl calls something "nice", to me, she is just being nice about the harsh truth. I also won't take any IOIs of a drunk girl seriously. I don't think this girl has a lot of interest in you. She wanted to come out because she wanted to see if there is chemistry between you guys when she is sober. Being responsive in conversation and qualifying herself aren't sure signs for interest. Some people are born people-pleaser, especially women. Judge her actions not her words. And in this case, it is quite obviously. If she doesn't even open up her body languages or like to hold your hands, she isn't interested enough to take this superficial date serious.
Author:  Criss hell [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:20 am ]
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Well, I don't want to accept it but maybe what you say makes sense.
But she was like that the whole time and I've not gone out with a young girl like that and it could be because of her age and type. She acts diffrent and she was so desperate in texting and She first texted me if I want to meet her tonight.I know she is looking for some one to hang out and she doesn't know anybody. She is super responsive on text.
About the word nice you are totally right generally speaking but consider one thing she is not from here and she came here like 6 months ago.I am not native but her english is not as good as me either. So I don't know if using the word "Nice" by her , means like that.
But anyways you may be right but I hope you are not lol.
She kind of agreed to see me again tonight before she left me and before she left me she told me I'll see you soon.
What do you guys think of canceling my second date for tonight and asking her on Friday night? or any better idea?
Author:  HeavyRota8tion [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:37 am ]
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u pushed her?
Author:  GKS [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:42 am ]
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Well, I don't want to accept it but maybe what you say makes sense.
But she was like that the whole time and I've not gone out with a young girl like that and it could be because of her age and type. She acts diffrent and she was so desperate in texting and She first texted me if I want to meet her tonight.I know she is looking for some one to hang out and she doesn't know anybody. She is super responsive on text.
About the word nice you are totally right generally speaking but consider one thing she is not from here and she came here like 6 months ago.I am not native but her english is not as good as me either. So I don't know if using the word "Nice" by her , means like that.
But anyways you may be right but I hope you are not lol.
She kind of agreed to see me again tonight before she left me and before she left me she told me I'll see you soon.
What do you guys think of canceling my second date for tonight and asking her on Friday night? or any better idea?
One downside of dating girls that are younger than 20 is that they are constantly seeking attentions and validations. They will do anything to get your attentions, it doesn't necessary mean they're willing to sleep with you. They are flaky and emotionally unstable. However, they are easy to manipulate.

Here's a fun experiment. Stop being responsive to her, if she asks, tell her you don't usually date young girls because they're emotional immature and don't know what they want. You thought she would be different but now you're not so sure. Let her qualify and give her some loops to jump through. Then agree you will give her another try if she [insert what you want her to do]
Author:  Criss hell [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:07 am ]
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u pushed her?
I think so.
The thing is that when I met her today at the beginning
she told me:" I don't know anything about you, tell me where you are from what you do etc..."
She is right since we talked for 2 mins before that. But her body was closed the whole time ( crossing her hands) but she was laughing and smiling . To be honest if I was her I would do the same since she is young and alone here and doesn't know anybody.
So that made me nervous and I pushed her a bit by trying to kiss her but it was between lips and cheek so wasn't too awkward.
But coming to my place and waiting longer with me (not taking the buss which comes sooner) are at least a good sign for me.

@GKS: you are right. But the problem is next week is long weekend and she told me she is going on a vacation and I know she is horny. She works in way that she has to be home at 11 during the week and on weekend she is free. She told me that since I told her we can go to cool bar on Thursday night. So I think I should definitely cancel it and try to make a good plan for Friday night.
I know if I can get her a few drinks she will be get back to her good emotions toward me.So considering the situation I have to meet her this weekend.
I hate the fact I didn't get sexual in conversation I just forgot. It was like friends conversation between me and her.
I like your idea but I am not sure if how to use it considering the time I have. I think I need to get sexual a little bit through text too to see if she is comfortable. The thing is that I know hbs who are not native are better to be gamed in text than conversation.
Author:  Criss hell [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:50 am ]
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One more thing which I don't know is important:
I live with roommates. This is usual here since it's an expensive city and I am moving to a new place. She asked if I will have roommates in new place.(I'll have 1) Well her question could have a lot of meaning or no meaning. Just wanted to mention.
Author:  LD [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:59 am ]
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Here's a fun experiment. Stop being responsive to her, if she asks, tell her you don't usually date young girls because they're emotional immature and don't know what they want. You thought she would be different but now you're not so sure. Let her qualify and give her some loops to jump through. Then agree you will give her another try if she [insert what you want her to do]
Hey lads,

i would strongly advice against this at this time. As far as i know the situation, there has only been one date. i am now completely ignoring the discussion of her liking you or not. Fact is, date one: she doesnt want to kiss you and you would respond to that by telling her subtly that she is emotional immature. But you dated her once. you cant tell that. You dont know her well enough.

If somebody would say that to me, after meeting only once (and a few texts), i would say: how the fuck would you know? You dont know me! And it is true, you dont know her. This experiment is indeed something fun to do, but i would say that the timing is totally off. Not now. Give her more chances. You chose to be indirect, so take your time.

Get to know her better. and if you like her even more, then be more straightforward in what you want. You will soon enough know if she likes you or not. Dont waste time analyzing and mental masturbating on stuff that happened, should have happened or things you should have done.

That is the first thing remark.

Secondly: You say: if i can get her a few drinks, she will get back to her good emotions towards me. I hope you realize that when you say this, things dont look too good. If you need to get a woman drunk to spend happy time with you, there is something wrong. Fix that.

Thirdly: Do you know what it is you want with this girl? Do you want a one night stand or a long relationship? or perhaps a fuckbuddy? I am not sure, and i bet you arent all too sure as well. You tell us you like her, but in what way? Are you falling for her or do you think you fall for her because you want to fuck her?

I think you just want sex, only once or perhaps multiple occasions. Which is fine. But you dont act like you want that. In front of her you act like you want to be her partner or something. Let me say it otherwise: you act like a nice guy. You words say one thing, while your actions and body language tell her something else. Confusing.

I believe your best bet would be to tell her straightforward what you want. I would tell her she is hot and that i want sex with her, no strings attached. Just good, wild sex and no worries nor any promises except for the promise that it will be fun.

but that is just my idea
Author:  Criss hell [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:54 pm ]
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@LD:
Thank yo for your response.
She is going to be here for 4 months. My ideal situation would be with her the whole 4 months.
About giving her drink: to be honest it's funny. She brought up it. When I met her for the first time she was like dancing crazy and was bout to fall on me. So this time she acted like she doesn't remember it but she told me if she is in the club with music and get drunk she would do the same again.
Since I acted needy at the end, my plan is not texting her today at all and if she texts me I'll say I can't make it today we can hang out tomorrow night.
On first date I was a nice guy as you said so that I let her to know me. If I go on second date,I would be straight forward as you said.
Well, this chick is hard to read so any idea or comment on my plan really appreciated.
Author:  VietnameseProdigy [ Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:05 pm ]
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Next time you see her, fuck her like she's never been fucked before.
Author:  Criss hell [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:55 am ]
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Guys I need urgent help.
So this is what happened. I texted her tonight.
Me(9:17) : How are you doing X?
HB(9:37):Hi I am doing great done a lot of things today and I am pretty exuasted.How was your day?
ME(10:20):Actually same as you. I am pretty bussy now.
Then we were texting about about some thing we have done which is not important.The important part was where:
ME: I couldn't meet you today but we can hang out tomorrow esepcailly I wanna see you with your new dress(ps.she bought today)
HB: haha! I am not sure I'll be able to meet you up tomrrow tough.. But next time you'll see me I'll wear them, I pormise!

So At this point, I thought it was my last chance and had to make my last move otherwise it's a done deal. So I texted :
ME: I am not in town next weekend so if we don't see each other this weekend the opportunity will be missed I'll forget ppl if I don't see in a week so u better
cancel ur plans ;)
HB: That's the stupiedset thing I've ever heard!Do you meet so many ppl that you don't remember them if you don't see them in week!:P
ME: (I sent a cool pic of mine with a hot chick in Vegas)
Me:I am going here next weekend. Guess where it's taken.
HB:I don't know where it is.Who's that girl next to you?
HB:Where is it?
I was in bar with some chicks who celebrating a birthday party at this time. I didn't respond for half an hour and then I took a pic of them and I sent it for her.
Me: XX tonight I am getting out with my friends for her birthday party.
HB:ok have fun! Whose birthday is it?
HB:You'll have to tell me about where you are going next weekend!

I didn't respond her.
Ok This is fucking stupid. I fucking hate this fact. all she wants is to be manipulated.I think I am not good with chicks since I don't manipulate them.
(PS. GKS I think you are right.damn!)
So guys I really need help now. How to make her to hang out we me at this point tonight. I think she will think about me tonight. So what should I do?
Author:  pumpington [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:02 am ]
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Guys I need urgent help.
So this is what happened. I texted her tonight.
Me(9:17) : How are you doing X?
HB(9:37):Hi I am doing great done a lot of things today and I am pretty exuasted.How was your day?
ME(10:20):Actually same as you. I am pretty bussy now.
Then we were texting about about some thing we have done which is not important.The important part was where:
ME: I couldn't meet you today but we can hang out tomorrow esepcailly I wanna see you with your new dress(ps.she bought today)
HB: haha! I am not sure I'll be able to meet you up tomrrow tough.. But next time you'll see me I'll wear them, I pormise!

So At this point, I thought it was my last chance and had to make my last move otherwise it's a done deal. So I texted :
ME: I am not in town next weekend so if we don't see each other this weekend the opportunity will be missed I'll forget ppl if I don't see in a week so u better
cancel ur plans ;)
HB: That's the stupiedset thing I've ever heard!Do you meet so many ppl that you don't remember them if you don't see them in week!:P
ME: (I sent a cool pic of mine with a hot chick in Vegas)
Me:I am going here next weekend. Guess where it's taken.
HB:I don't know where it is.Who's that girl next to you?
HB:Where is it?
I was in bar with some chicks who celebrating a birthday party at this time. I didn't respond for half an hour and then I took a pic of them and I sent it for her.
Me: XX tonight I am getting out with my friends for her birthday party.
HB:ok have fun! Whose birthday is it?
HB:You'll have to tell me about where you are going next weekend!

I didn't respond her.
Ok This is fucking stupid. I fucking hate this fact. all she wants is to be manipulated.I think I am not good with chicks since I don't manipulate them.
(PS. GKS I think you are right.damn!)
So guys I really need help now. How to make her to hang out we me at this point tonight. I think she will think about me tonight. So what should I do?
you can't make her, you don't need anything from her, you sucked on your date, chances are if your gut tells you that, it is true, and if that's the way you felt, probably also the way she felt

step your game up, get better, you are allowing this girl to cloud your focus on your task at hand, what is the task? worrying about how young she is?, worrying about how you suck with girls unless they are drunk?, or is the task having a good time with some girl, and fucking her like a champ at the end of the night? stay focused next time you have a date

young girls generally are more flaky, more compliant, more insecure, and generally not used to dealing with too many guys that actually have a set of balls between their legs and know how to unload them, I get the sense from your post you feel this is a win/lose situation for you/her, you have to stop thinking of this as getting something, or doing the right thing to win some sort of prize, you have to allow yourself to think of this as a win/win, the young ones are easy when you have the logistics and are persistant and don't take her resisting seriously (you can't be needy about it and go into creepy I want something from you mode), think about it like she just doesn't want to seem easy, it's not that she doesn't want to bang you, obviously she was interested or she wouldn't have shown up, and she wouldn't have been all over you when she was drinking, after a chick drinks, she starts to loosen up and stops worrying so much about looking easy, and if a girl is prone to be insecure, it's most likely going to be at it's height when she has little to no life experience, so accept that she is going to try to give you some shit, accept that she is going to make excuses for you, and don't overthink and worry about this in your head, just stay focused on the task at hand

next time you go on a date, do better, this girl probably will flake you now, but you never know, give her a bit of space and hit her up again, and maybe she will come out again, just do your best to keep things centered around a win/win for her and you

GOOD LUCK
Author:  Criss hell [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:35 am ]
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pumpington thank you dude. I was not worried at all I was so confident I had never brought a girl home before the date. I did it with her for the first time. But she was like a stone.
I've not gone to a lot of dates but usually if the chick shows up, it was a easy task for me. I am good looking and there are usually pretty open and I am having fun.
I fucked up some dates and I think from now on I have to focus on each case and make a best out of it. I think I lost her but I can see a chance.
If I don't see her this weekend I don't want to see her again. But I really want to try my best in each case form now on.
She is great for gaming through text. So I was thinking of making her emotional or bring some sexual topics and make my intention almost clear.
I am in this position,can you tell besides moving away what is the best move to make her come? I am looking for something high risk high rewards.
Author:  pumpington [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:42 am ]
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pumpington thank you dude. I was not worried at all I was so confident I had never brought a girl home before the date. I did it with her for the first time. But she was like a stone.
I've not gone to a lot of dates but usually if the chick shows up, it was a easy task for me. I am good looking and there are usually pretty open and I am having fun.
I fucked up some dates and I think from now on I have to focus on each case and make a best out of it. I think I lost her but I can see a chance.
If I don't see her this weekend I don't want to see her again. But I really want to try my best in each case form now on.
She is great for gaming through text. So I was thinking of making her emotional or bring some sexual topics and make my intention almost clear.
I am in this position,can you tell besides moving away what is the best move to make her come? I am looking for something high risk high rewards.
some people like to escalate through text sexually, personally this has only ever caused more harm then good for me, usually resulting in some fun sexting, followed by a flake, in my opinion it is best to make hanging out with you seem win/win, make it appealing for her and keep the rapport to a minimum, increase the benefit for meeting you, and decrease the cost be patient and keep on it, you will either notice a pattern of consistent flaking, or she will cave, I know you want to get this done fast, but you can't force it, rushing so hard would only be doing so out of neediness

it's better to find a new girl and do better and go for it harder, then to press a girl who is already running, let her come back around and then take your big shot, but do your best to make taking that shot, happen in person, until then occupy yourself with other girls/interests

if you think you have a good idea that you want to test out, or sexual escalation etc. is your forte over the phone, then by all means, do what you know

GOOD LUCK
Author:  VietnameseProdigy [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:30 pm ]
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I don't think you understand that she only wants to fuck you.

She texted you AT NIGHT to meet with you whenever you were free.

You should have invited her to your place and fucked her.

Oh yeah, try Manwhore's stuff, he's legit as fuck.
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