PUA Forum :: Competing with goodlooking guys

I look average. Not bad, just average - in other words girls may tell me I'm good looking, but I've nearly never gotten a girl say "You're fucking hot"

I wouldn't say I'm overall insecure about my looks, but some guys are very attractive indeed, with chiseled model like features, a nice tan, tall etc.

When it comes to these guys, I feel like I have no chance.

The thing is, I KNOW I'm better than them, I KNOW that the average dude is better than them, in the sense that the majority of the time these guys know nothing about nothing. Their game isn't particularly good, they're just very good looking and moderately charismatic because they know they're attractive - and that's it.
I KNOW I'm one of the most likeable people anyone can meet, and have a pretty good handle on seduction.

But I lose confidence, because I feel like "So what that I'm good with people...so what that I'm going to treat the girl better (in a non-needy way) than those guys....the reality is, she doesn't know these things, and will pick that guy who she's already talking to, because he's born good looking. Blah blah fml blah"

I want to get over this shit. I want someone to remind me, that looks don't help that much, I need someone to make me realise some how, as long as it's true.

IS there any way to win over a girl in the company of a 6 ft 4 Swedish guy that looks like Thor?

The truth is, I've tackled a large variety of challenging situations. But I just don't have the balls to try with girls when what is considered a very good looking guy is also trying.
Can it be done?
Have you done it? Do you know of people who can achieve such a feat?

Thanks. Sorry to brag before too, just trying to paint a picture of what my current mindset is.

I look average. Not bad, just average - in other words girls may tell me I'm good looking, but I've nearly never gotten a girl say "You're fucking hot"

I wouldn't say I'm overall insecure about my looks, but some guys are very attractive indeed, with chiseled model like features, a nice tan, tall etc.

When it comes to these guys, I feel like I have no chance.

The thing is, I KNOW I'm better than them, I KNOW that the average dude is better than them, in the sense that the majority of the time these guys know nothing about nothing. Their game isn't particularly good, they're just very good looking and moderately charismatic because they know they're attractive - and that's it.
I KNOW I'm one of the most likeable people anyone can meet, and have a pretty good handle on seduction.

But I lose confidence, because I feel like "So what that I'm good with people...so what that I'm going to treat the girl better (in a non-needy way) than those guys....the reality is, she doesn't know these things, and will pick that guy who she's already talking to, because he's born good looking. Blah blah fml blah"

I want to get over this shit. I want someone to remind me, that looks don't help that much, I need someone to make me realise some how, as long as it's true.

IS there any way to win over a girl in the company of a 6 ft 4 Swedish guy that looks like Thor?
The truth is, I've tackled a large variety of challenging situations. But I just don't have the balls to try with girls when what is considered a very good looking guy is also trying.
Can it be done?
Have you done it? Do you know of people who can achieve such a feat?

Thanks. Sorry to brag before too, just trying to paint a picture of what my current mindset is.

Author:	Century100 [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Competing with goodlooking guys
I look average. Not bad, just average - in other words girls may tell me I'm good looking, but I've nearly never gotten a girl say "You're fucking hot" I wouldn't say I'm overall insecure about my looks, but some guys are very attractive indeed, with chiseled model like features, a nice tan, tall etc. When it comes to these guys, I feel like I have no chance. The thing is, I KNOW I'm better than them, I KNOW that the average dude is better than them, in the sense that the majority of the time these guys know nothing about nothing. Their game isn't particularly good, they're just very good looking and moderately charismatic because they know they're attractive - and that's it. I KNOW I'm one of the most likeable people anyone can meet, and have a pretty good handle on seduction. But I lose confidence, because I feel like "So what that I'm good with people...so what that I'm going to treat the girl better (in a non-needy way) than those guys....the reality is, she doesn't know these things, and will pick that guy who she's already talking to, because he's born good looking. Blah blah fml blah" I want to get over this shit. I want someone to remind me, that looks don't help that much, I need someone to make me realise some how, as long as it's true. IS there any way to win over a girl in the company of a 6 ft 4 Swedish guy that looks like Thor? The truth is, I've tackled a large variety of challenging situations. But I just don't have the balls to try with girls when what is considered a very good looking guy is also trying. Can it be done? Have you done it? Do you know of people who can achieve such a feat? Thanks. Sorry to brag before too, just trying to paint a picture of what my current mindset is.

Author:	pumpington [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Competing with goodlooking guys
Quote: I look average. Not bad, just average - in other words girls may tell me I'm good looking, but I've nearly never gotten a girl say "You're fucking hot" ego, fully subjective Quote: I wouldn't say I'm overall insecure about my looks, but some guys are very attractive indeed, with chiseled model like features, a nice tan, tall etc. When it comes to these guys, I feel like I have no chance. once again ego, you have no idea what a girl values before you meet her Quote: The thing is, I KNOW I'm better than them, I KNOW that the average dude is better than them, in the sense that the majority of the time these guys know nothing about nothing. Their game isn't particularly good, they're just very good looking and moderately charismatic because they know they're attractive - and that's it. I KNOW I'm one of the most likeable people anyone can meet, and have a pretty good handle on seduction. once again ego, high status or being dominant (more successful) in an aspect of life, attracts women, how you frame this in your mind, based on your ego, is irrelevant, you are not better or worse then a guy because you think you are, you simply are who you are, you are not what you think you are, you simply are what you are, and being delusional about yourself with a extremely high self esteem, or being delusional about yourself with low self esteem, does not change your current skill level, self esteem has only a minor roll in your skill level (particularly will effect your social status and what you are outwardly projecting), actual change and improvement will change your skill level, rather then a perception of having high skill when you don't infact have high skill and how other perceive your status, is subjective to their values, one girl might value confidence and social skills in a partner much more then looks, while another might value looks far more then social skills and confidence, and often times guys learn about ''game'' and assume just cause they can rip some jokes and control the frame on a guy and be more ''socially dominant'' that this will automatically equate to success over the guy, but it only positively effects your status in relation to him socially, it does not necessarily trump his status overall in comparison to you, it all depends on what the girl values, and how much value the girl deems you have in relation to her other options Quote: But I lose confidence, because I feel like "So what that I'm good with people...so what that I'm going to treat the girl better (in a non-needy way) than those guys....the reality is, she doesn't know these things, and will pick that guy who she's already talking to, because he's born good looking. Blah blah fml blah" you're focusing on your weaknesses and where you are low in status, rather then bringing your strengths to light, there is so much more to improving your status then looks, and you can improve your looks, your ability to communicate is not the only factor when women are assessing your status, everything matters, imagine a famous ugly guy rolls in to a club, and some model guy is talking to a girl, the girl immediately ditches the model to try to talk to the famous guy, all of a sudden the model dude is all... this is bullshit, looks don't matter, blah blah blah, and then he writes a post similar to this one, status is subjective and everything matters, having certainty behind your actions coupled with a high self esteem to help boost that certainty so that you can follow the direction that leads you to what you are looking for and what you intend to do, is a great thing, and it will help you reach your goals, how ever when it comes to women, they are in the domain of choosing who they sleep with, just as much as you are, if you want a hot brunette 10/10, with a personality of gold who has 100 guys to choose from, you most likely have to be at the top of the picking order of those 100 in her mind for her to want you as a sexual partner (depending on the woman, some are extremely promiscuous and if you take a good shot, you're likely to score), the most status wins, and this is reality, but status is subjective, and there are tons of scenarios where looks are easily trumped by a superior form of status that the girl sees that allows her to deem that man ''higher value'' then the rest, but you have to be good at something, you can't just suck at everything and have no skills, and expect that a high self esteem will equate to the high quality pussy, if you want high quality pussy, you must be high quality yourself, or confident enough to search out enough high quality pussy and go for it, until you have found the pussy that is also interested back, game is merely the way you market your skill sets, and strengths to the opposite sex, it is how you ''demonstrate'' your value, rather then your perceived dating market value it's self Quote: I want to get over this shit. I want someone to remind me, that looks don't help that much, I need someone to make me realise some how, as long as it's true. looks do help, anyone who tells you different is probably trying to make money off you by selling you something you want to hear, or has been brainwashed by someone who sold them something they wanted to hear, go up your looks if it is a source of insecurity for you, it is beneficial to be good looking, but it is not as important for women as it is for guys, a male 9/10 holds status over guys who have not much else to showcase for themselves besides their looks, but if you are physically passable to the girl (this is subjective btw), that's good enough, you don't have to be a model to get girls, and if you are far beyond physically passable, it doesn't guarantee girls either (if you're good looking, it doesn't mean you get the girl simply for that fact) Quote: IS there any way to win over a girl in the company of a 6 ft 4 Swedish guy that looks like Thor? be more skilled in a different areas of life then him, showcase your strengths, demonstrate all the value you can, what you have going for you, what are the benefits for her to sleep with you and how can you lower how much that will cost her in relation, if the interaction is framed as a who is a better business man, and you are a multimillionaire ceo, and he is some 15k a year shoe salesman, who holds more status in this frame of the interaction?, if you are a world star tennis player, and this guy has never played tennis, and the frame of the interaction revolves around tennis, who holds more status in this frame of the interaction? if you are hitting on a girl, and that is all, teasing her, and giving her compliments, and a good looking guy comes up and does the exact same thing, but is not quite as good at it but it isn't that much of a noticeable difference to the chick, but in comparison his looks far out trump your own, who do you think holds more status in this situation? now im not suggesting you brag and qualify yourself, because do you really think if you were a rich banker, you would have to tell people you were a rich banker if you knew that was your identity? (if you where confident about who you are) for them to put two and two together?, but figure out how to showcase and DEMONSTRATE, your value, rather then trying to qualify yourself as having value (this is fact shows that you most likely are insecure or have a big ego about what you are ''trying to showcase'' as apposed just having the value, and being confident about that and it being assumed and ''showcased'' by demonstration), this is fairly important because people who try to qualify themselves with no rhyme or reason, are often trying to project what they wish they were out of insecurity, if they truly believed what they were saying, there would be no reason to convince people, they would simply be as they are and people could see them demonstrate these skills and make their own assumptions for example, it's better to discuss business and demonstrate your business savvy and showcase your skills (the areas of your life, you are confident about), rather then tell girls, YEAH.. IM A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS MAN WITH GOOD BUSINESS SKILLS it's better to tease and flirt with a girl, making her feel good, and have good social proof to DEMONSTRATE you have good social skills, rather then to try and qualify yourself, just saying you have good social skills, with an I AM THIS... I AM THAT.. I AM SO POPULAR, SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE ME etc. etc. meanwhile people can tell you are socially inept and insecure it's better to be seen talking to, and making out with alot of girls, rather then to say... YEAH... I TALK TO GIRLS AND MAKE OUT WITH THEM ALL THE TIME AND HAVE ALOT OF OPTIONS, SO IF YOU WANT TO GET WITH ME AND ROPE ME INTO A RELATIONSHIP, YOU BETTER BE WORTH IT it's better to roll up in Ferrari with a new gucci suite on then to say YEAH... I'M A REALLY RICH GUY while you're wearing a dirty wife beater, and some old stained jeans you get the point, Quote: The truth is, I've tackled a large variety of challenging situations. But I just don't have the balls to try with girls when what is considered a very good looking guy is also trying. Can it be done? Have you done it? Do you know of people who can achieve such a feat? girls are attracted to status, looks are only a part of it, social status is only a part of it, money is only a part of it, power is only a part of it, your overall status is subjective from woman to woman, look at seal for example, is he good looking?, fuck no, that guy is ugly as shit, and yet he is married and has kids with one of the most beautiful super models in the world... but look at seal, he is a very attractive man to women, he can sing better then 99% of the male population (at least to heidi), the dude dresses with style, he walks with a swagger, hes got confidence (you better have some if you can sing in front of so many people) and he is very socially important (famous singer) now, what about his looks?, low as fuck in status compared to other men, he looks like he got in a fight with a tiger and fucking lost hardcore Quote: Thanks. Sorry to brag before too, just trying to paint a picture of what my current mindset is. you can always improve, and you have your whole life to find success, there is no magic pill to developing skills sets and good habits that lead towards a more fulfilling life, you have to work hard and develop that confidence that allows you to go after your goals no matter the cost, if you don't, it will only directly effect you and your success in life

Author:	Ezo [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:29 pm ]
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You can never win over a Swedish guy. Women are not as interested in your looks as you may think. You just need to be not unattractive and as long as you pass the quality inspection, you are choosen for other reasons. How good you look is just a way to remove the absolute worst guys.

Author:	lidsfitteds [ Wed May 01, 2013 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Competing with goodlooking guys
Quote: I look average. Not bad, just average - in other words girls may tell me I'm good looking, but I've nearly never gotten a girl say "You're fucking hot" I wouldn't say I'm overall insecure about my looks, but some guys are very attractive indeed, with chiseled model like features, a nice tan, tall etc. When it comes to these guys, I feel like I have no chance. The thing is, I KNOW I'm better than them, I KNOW that the average dude is better than them, in the sense that the majority of the time these guys know nothing about nothing. Their game isn't particularly good, they're just very good looking and moderately charismatic because they know they're attractive - and that's it. I KNOW I'm one of the most likeable people anyone can meet, and have a pretty good handle on seduction. But I lose confidence, because I feel like "So what that I'm good with people...so what that I'm going to treat the girl better (in a non-needy way) than those guys....the reality is, she doesn't know these things, and will pick that guy who she's already talking to, because he's born good looking. Blah blah fml blah" I want to get over this shit. I want someone to remind me, that looks don't help that much, I need someone to make me realise some how, as long as it's true. IS there any way to win over a girl in the company of a 6 ft 4 Swedish guy that looks like Thor? The truth is, I've tackled a large variety of challenging situations. But I just don't have the balls to try with girls when what is considered a very good looking guy is also trying. Can it be done? Have you done it? Do you know of people who can achieve such a feat? Thanks. Sorry to brag before too, just trying to paint a picture of what my current mindset is. Man I get what you're saying. I got this friend whose been in some of my classes since last year, and he's tends to try to game some of the same girls I do, and he's a good looking guy so what chance do I have? But you know what, now that I'm learning some pua stuff my game is better than his (he's not terrible though) so the point is looks can only get you so far, and being good looking is not a big advantage. I could go on but you get the point.

Author:	StinkyApple [ Wed May 01, 2013 8:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Competing with goodlooking guys
I bet our masters looks worse than you. If you compare yourself, you will end up sucking. There will always be a richer, prettier etc. guy, stop comparing and improve yourself personally.

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Author:	Hunter_Foxe [ Wed May 01, 2013 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Competing with goodlooking guys
Think about a cave-woman's instinct. Does she fuck the best looking caveman who is incapable of hunting and cannot defend himself or the guy who doesn't give a shit, hunts with spears and is not afraid to put someone in their place when they are threatened? A good looking guy is useless to a woman in the long term if she cannot feel secure and protected by him. Be the alpha hunter. And I'm saying this because I'm a pretty boy handsome type who has had hotties stolen from under my nose by rough looking older dudes with solid game. Be the unapologetic manly type who is not outcome dependent and doesn't let anything break his strong frame.

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