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Author:  Kent copperfield [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:  1-2 set help!!
Hey guys I was wondering if you could guide me
In the art of cold pickup/ day 2 kind of dates
I have read mystery's method
and tried a few infeild but either i dont have enough
Kino or she takes control of the topics and starts rambling to the
On and I have nothing to say leaving me in the awkward stage
And then they get bored or try to turn me beta in leading.
Or when i start the set they only nod their heads
and smile only later to aqwardly give me their numbers
I do try to come in as friendly as possible as well as confident
But I dont know why it keeps happening any tips?
Author:  Tr@veler [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:44 pm ]
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Read Vin Dicarlo's The Attraction Code
Read 60 Years of Challenge
Read Dicarlo's Escalation Ladder

Come back with more questions.
Author:  Body Language [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:08 pm ]
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Do not worry about not talking, everyone's favorite subject is themselves anyway so let them do most of the talking, you want them to be qualifying themselves and investing energy and time into you, how can they do that without speaking? By trying to dominate the conversation you actually block them from finding you more attractive. Does that make sense? I hope so because its important.

One of the best questions I have ever known is, "If you could be anything in the world what would you be? and you cant say princess *insert cheesy grin*"

This lets them ramble on while you just stare at them (hold eye contact) and get more comfortable. Do actually listen though, later on they will love you for relating a conversation back round to them and their wants/likes.
Author:  Tr@veler [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:11 pm ]
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Do not worry about not talking, everyone's favorite subject is themselves anyway so let them do most of the talking, you want them to be qualifying themselves and investing energy and time into you, how can they do that without speaking? By trying to dominate the conversation you actually block them from finding you more attractive. Does that make sense? I hope so because its important.

One of the best questions I have ever known is, "If you could be anything in the world what would you be? and you cant say princess *insert cheesy grin*"

This lets them ramble on while you just stare at them (hold eye contact) and get more comfortable. Do actually listen though, later on they will love you for relating a conversation back round to them and their wants/likes.
Every word here is true.
Author:  Kent copperfield [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:59 pm ]
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This lets them ramble on while you just stare at them (hold eye contact) and get more comfortable. Do actually listen though, later on they will love you for relating a conversation back round to them and their wants/likes.
Hmm yes i have noticed that when i do relate
to some of the things they say i do get a your intresting"
and then i normally say so are you... Somtimes ;p with 50-50
hand gesture and a smile. However many times she
will go off and start talking really fast for a
long time and its almost as if i have nothing to do,
I listen but normally its like " she can relate then
story for a brutal long time and while doing so talk
super fast to the point my mind cannot process all
this information for a witty or comic comeback
done nothing for me to say and by this time
its silence and then it goes bad what then
Do I do?

As for tr@veler if you can pm me some links for attraction
code and 60 year challege i will be extremly grateful! And yes
I will be asking more questions!
Also for the escalation ladder for the process I am having
trouble with spanning these events, normally when i open
girls i tap them on the shoulder with the back of my hand
however after that i can only escalate by the only trick
I know and that is by ending with a hug or asking "how tall
are you?" stand back to back and shift legs touching hers
and re-entering the group at her side (in a 2 set) or just
asking for her number if shes alone (day 2). problem is
that after these gentle moves i use i have no justification
later to initate incidental class 3 and so forth on day 2s
Please help me escalate smoothly in a span of
A long ( day 2) and short time ( cold pickup)
My goal is to get a kiss on the cheek and a name/number
After opening day 2 sets and then leading into sex by second time we meet
and
Sex on cold pickup please help
Also it is note worthy to know im 17 so know that i
cannot simply get her drunk and continue to the next phase :p
Author:  Body Language [ Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:23 am ]
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Quote:
I listen but normally its like " she can relate then
story for a brutal long time and while doing so talk
super fast to the point my mind cannot process all
this information for a witty or comic comeback
done nothing for me to say and by this time
its silence and then it goes bad what then
Do I do?
Read up a little on framing, framing is a really useful tool. Its the "place", "zone", "space" you are in, if you cant bring people into it then gaming is pointless!. Your frame should ALWAYS be she wants it, so in these kind of situations she is talking fast and for long because she is shy/nervous. That means she is putting you on a pedastool which is a superb place to be :twisted: . I would mention it to her, "you talk really fast, are you nervous?" :twisted:

My way personally would be to escalate sexually once I have opened but unlike 60YOC I dont dump a set after 30 seconds if she wont kiss me, I just take it that she is shy and will after some investment fuck me. Seeing as your 17 how old are these girls your going for? [/quote]
Author:  Kent copperfield [ Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:22 am ]
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Can you explain more into detail what framing is?
mystery didnt help much in explaining and giving a
good example of frame control and if she is shy
what is the best way to combat it also girls
i try from 17 up to 21ish
Author:  Body Language [ Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:43 am ]
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I can try for you buddy.

My definition of frame is what I wrote before, its the "space" you are in. Essentially it is reality but everyone is different so they have different realities. An example of this could be you open a 3 set, introduce yourself, playfully neg your target, get them talking and all the other usual BS but they tell you they are only out tonight to talk to each other and not to be hit on by guys.

Fine, nothing wrong with that but that is their reality, now your reality is your talking to them because you want to fuck and obviously you shouldn't say that (I wouldn't recommend it but that has worked for me in the past) so you need to change their frame. Already you have a frame, your frame is you want to talk to them and its happening so all good but to keep that up you need to bring them into your reality. Use a wing, so I would say something like, "that's cool, me and my friend are only here to talk but you know the more the merrier, hey Bill let me introduce you to these guys they seem quite cool, well at least their not bimbos anyway!".

Acknowledge what they said but ignore it, move on and keep the world going how you want it to. The chances are these girls are shy in which case they want to talk to you but are intimidated because your clearly "the fucking man" or they get hit on all the time and are testing to see if your just trying to fuck in which case you have removed yourself from their frame by saying your just here to socialize and put them into your fun frame.

This might be a bad example, I am quite hungover but I hope it helps.
Author:  Kent copperfield [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:01 am ]
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Thank you very much :) ill try to
Create a strong frame in which they
Sense that im a man
Author:  pumpington [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:04 am ]
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figure out what you want, look for it, when you find it, kiss that girl

if she isn't down with that, then move on, rinse and repeat
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