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Author:  nifton [ Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:15 pm ]
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Evening all, need some perspective from my fellow peers..

1st off, I've always had an excellent natural game, nearly always f close when meeting a girl, so here's my conundrum...

Met a HB9 ballerina last Friday, if I'm totally honest, she gamed me! i was on full alert as my ex's house mate was out and keeping an eye on me, which made things awkward. But HB9 made the opener on me, turns out she is 18!! I am 6'2 and 29, i'd say around 8 or 9 when i lay it on, anyway, after about 30 mins of her gagging for it, i gave in, started kissing her, hard, she loved it. long story short, we spent around 3 hours solid kissing, she was dry humping, pushing my hand in her pants, the works. She totally ruined my neck, i look like i had been hung on a rope!

I whispered in her ear that she best be coming home with me, after she got me raging hard and started rubbing me through my slacks, she said she wasn't that sort of girl!! then she pulled my hand down and pushed me into 2nd base!! anyway, her friends waded in and started trying to get her to leave after a few hours of this, she got the guilt trip on, and my morals kicked in and i kinda let her go after a very steamy good night kiss & grind, said we best swap numbers, we did, and she said "get in touch, if I'm worth it"

SO..... 24hrs later, i text her this

"Hello trouble, I've just got out of bed after a 12 hr hibernation sleep and seen the massive marks on my neck! you best be coming out to hook with me soon coz i'm no good to anyone else with that on me, you rotter! shame you had to bail early, was fun last night... xx"

No reply. Gave it 48 hrs and called her just. No answer....

Followed call with a text straight away

"Hey HB9, you're not going shy on me are you? you didn't seem like that kind of girl!! ;) call me back when ur free.. xx"

2 hour post text, no reply.

Is she having slut shame or what? Never had to deal with that kind of age gap before, she's out of my normal moral ground demographic, but seen as she layed down the ground work I went with it.

Thoughts please brothers!
Author:  nifton [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:20 am ]
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Please guys, share some wisdom! you all know how blinkered we can get, some extra eyes and brains would be much appreciated :)
Author:  MrBreeze [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:46 am ]
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Who knows man? No one can know this information. Could be slut shame could be she is a tease...maybe she died! You said she gamed you... so maybe she got what she wanted, you dangling! Ive seen it before. Either way shes not into it.... I would move on!
Author:  KingOtto [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:27 am ]
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I would leave it as it is. No need to text or call her again. She has your number, saw your messages and can get back to you if she wants to.

I think move on since there is nothing else you can do about it in my humble opinion.
Author:  nifton [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:59 am ]
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Cheers guys, Yeah, I always was going to leave it after that last message, I ain't no crying puppy. It was just odd, you can generally spot a flake coming a mile off, this one seemed 100% dead cert. I really think this one is down to her dwelling on the age gap, or perhaps her friends interfering, one of them was giving me the eye before HB9 moved in for the kill, so maybe she blocked :(
Have had girls go quiet after an f close before (slut shame) as it's all ways the 'nice' girls I manage to corrupt :D
Author:  lvkpfiff [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:50 am ]
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Author:  cracycrazy [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:55 am ]
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Cheers guys, Yeah, I always was going to leave it after that last message, I ain't no crying puppy. It was just odd, you can generally spot a flake coming a mile off, this one seemed 100% dead cert. I really think this one is down to her dwelling on the age gap, or perhaps her friends interfering, one of them was giving me the eye before HB9 moved in for the kill, so maybe she blocked :(
Have had girls go quiet after an f close before (slut shame) as it's all ways the 'nice' girls I manage to corrupt :D
What would you do differently next time in a similar situation?
This has happened to me a few times, and I've decided that if i ever get to that level of sexual with a girl, i will go as far as i can that night, even try get laid in car, out side, or anywhere you can find.
Author:  nifton [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:05 am ]
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You know, if she had been a bit older rather than 2 weeks past her 18th birthday and not out with her friends of same age, I would've pushed to get her home.

2 reasons I didn't
1. My house was upside down (major error, always keep your shit together)
2. I started to feel my morals kicking in due to her age, think she wanted me to drag her home despite what she said about sticking with her friends.

But you're right, with that level of interaction, there is only one thing on their mind, despite what they are saying "I'm not that type of girl" then sticking your hand in their pants, it's a total give away, and a very poor anti slut technique on her behalf, haha!

But god dam! I could fit both her buttocks in one hand. :D
Author:  nifton [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:51 am ]
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By the way Crazy, you say this has happened to you before, obviously the heavy tension part, but what about the reluctance to talk afterwards? you had that as well?
Author:  MrBreeze [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:55 pm ]
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2 reasons I didn't
1. My house was upside down (major error, always keep your shit together)
2. I started to feel my morals kicking in due to her age, think she wanted me to drag her home despite what she said about sticking with her friends.
1. I have seen women fuck dude with the nastiest bedroom, dirty sheets, they dont give a fuck... shes attracted
2. Morals? Youre both legal (right?) and youre both attracted. If you leave her better than she was when you found her there is no foul. Maybe she felt this hesitation and it broke the spell? Women tend to be empathetic.
Author:  cracycrazy [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:55 pm ]
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By the way Crazy, you say this has happened to you before, obviously the heavy tension part, but what about the reluctance to talk afterwards? you had that as well?
Last time i had that was with a mexican chick in bar, kissed, touching, hands in panties, i could've done anything i wanted to her, her friend had to go home so we swaped numbers, kissed some more, contacted her 2days later, no response, nothing, nothing, i deleted the number, i dont understand it and i dont want to try, it doesnt make sense. lol From my experience Kissing/sucking/ and touching means nothing to women, sometims even sex, its just for a moment and thats it, especially with tipsy drunk girls. Guys need to know this, just because you did all that doesnt mean that she will see you again.
Author:  nifton [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:37 am ]
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Hmm, you know I'm not so sure, I think it depends on the girl, I think sometimes they might not reply out of shame, or feel that something was wrong, like maybe they feel they were acting out of character, and if they reply to you they think that behaviour is what you will always be expecting, and they don't want to be another booty call number. It's like their anti slut shield goes into overdrive, so the best way for them not to literally have the pants charmed off them again, is just not to reply at all. so they talk themselves out of it.

Think about it like this, if you haven't gone that far and got so passionate with a girl you have just met (maybe a little kissing), but you still get their number, and they still flake on you, they will at least be speaking to you, it's only the ones that totally lose themselves in the moment that totally clam up.

I have only EVER had radio silence in this situation, it's happened twice now, exactly the same vibes.

Mr Breeze:
1. Yeah, but it would be in my mind, always seem to pull the stunners when my pad is a mess.
2. I know, i like to think I’m a responsible kind of man, not much i could've done bar throw her over the back wall and run off with her! lol. don't think i broke the spell, her friends literally came and pulled her off me, she was not happy, so i don't really think I could've done anything there :(


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Author:  cracycrazy [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:39 pm ]
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Yes I agree with your points, chicks know they aren't suppose to be that forward and sexual with strangers, but it is something most of them like, and are willing to do it if it is just for a moment which can easily be ignored/forgotten or blamed on alcohol.

If you can spot the early signs, you can easily get laid that night. Freaky or tipsy/drunk girls usually do this and that is why I said you should take it as far as you can. Besides the ultimate game is to get laid as soon as possible.

How do you a girl to not feel shame afterwards?
perhaps take the blame for the extreme interaction, maybe 1st text should've been something like,

hey, i was drunk last night, sorry about my behavior, it was out of character, I just found you attractive and got caught up in a moment.
Author:  nifton [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:51 pm ]
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ouch! i'd never text that to anyone!! wreaks of an apology...

Maybe more of a "hey, what happened last night?? think I may have been a bit tipsy, you didn't slip something in my drink did you? I'm normally not that type of guy, you took advantage of me! ;) still, it was fun though. how's you? xx"

Like I said in my op, I quite often take a girl home with me who I've just met, I guess I just felt a little too predatory with this one, she is by far the biggest age gap I've had to deal with, there's still a part of me feels a bit sheepish about it.

But....

The more I think about it, the more I'm annoyed, I'm not going to let this one drop, I still think there's a way to crack this, believe me, i am 100% she was fully into me, which makes this all the more interesting. I need to have a think and see what I can come up with, I do love a challenge :D

Before anyone pipes up, this is not oneitis, got a date tomorrow and a special friend coming round on friday night ;)
Author:  Psych3r [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:14 pm ]
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My opinion you got played. She seems like the kind of girl who "is like that" and just didn't want to admit it out loud. From what you described you could have absolutely pulled her for a fuck that night had you been more aggressive and taken controll.

As for her, seems like the kind of girl who looses interest as fast as she gains it, she's prob washed up on another guys shore by now. (or taken a bunch of shit from her friends over it and associates you with a stain on her rep).

Generally girls like that are where the "no next day call" rule comes from. The clue was in her last statement:

"...if I'm good enough".

That's all you needed to know to realize she's the kind of girl you have to push away a little before she'll pull you in. From that type of mentality what you sent probably seemed a little needy (though would probably have worked fine on a different girl).

Next time you have an aggressor, give her space. Let a day or two go by and see if SHE txts you. if not send her some really cryptic msg about somethinig off topic but funny. if she responds then twist it into a sex convo and get her mind racing, then drop it. She will be forced to be the aggressor agian.

I literally just used this approach on a new girl in the office that pulled me into a closet second week she was here... worked like a charm.
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