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Author:  dannyDTFboii81 [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:53 am ]
Post subject:  How big of a disqualifier is height?

Ok relatively new here, read a lot of great material giving me a better understanding of the psychology and sociology in the social interactions. Not to Toot my own horn but I have pretty darn good mid-game and an efficient closer. However opening sets can be akward occasionally where there is a high number of taller ladies. I'm 5'6" with a solid inner-game, I just get some anxiety when opening wondering if I'm wrote off immediately just because I'm a lil shorter than they are(shortness displays beta-ness?). No problems with females the same height as me or shorter, if anything I get better ha! At any rate what sort of weight is actually placed on physical factors that are out of ones control a.k.a. Height, etc, etc. Any thoughts fellow PUA's?

Author:  Henry.Faith [ Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How big of a disqualifier is height?

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Ok relatively new here, read a lot of great material giving me a better understanding of the psychology and sociology in the social interactions. Not to Toot my own horn but I have pretty darn good mid-game and an efficient closer. However opening sets can be akward occasionally where there is a high number of taller ladies. I'm 5'6" with a solid inner-game, I just get some anxiety when opening wondering if I'm wrote off immediately just because I'm a lil shorter than they are(shortness displays beta-ness?). No problems with females the same height as me or shorter, if anything I get better ha! At any rate what sort of weight is actually placed on physical factors that are out of ones control a.k.a. Height, etc, etc. Any thoughts fellow PUA's?
I am 5'10 and the one I love is 5'10 as well. I was 5'8 when I ran into her again in my life and height was never an issue.

I have known many men who date taller women. It is only an issue if you make it one.

There is no inner game, there is only confidence.

Author:  dannyDTFboii81 [ Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:21 am ]
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I get where you are coming from, and believe me, there are no inner-game issues here. The real question is do you think the taller ones write short guys off more so than other guys? I usually am not attracted to taller women anyway but some of those amazon types just drive me nuts haha, I'd rather sarge in there knowing she's at least receptive to the thought of banging me then to waste valuable time that I could be using gaming other bitches is all.

Author:  pumpington [ Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:37 am ]
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this is not a universal question, it subjective from woman to woman, it is like asking how much of a disqualifier is it if a girl doesn't have at least c-cup breasts

sure some guys might not want to date a girl without huge tits, but it is not that big of a deal to most as long as it is in their own acceptable range (and alot of guys are ass men anyways, just like alot of girls care about the confidence more then the height)

you are probably aware of how to find out if this is an issue for a girl, if not I'll give you a hint (try to sleep with her)

worrying about the things that are outside of your control is a waste of energy, there will be girls that don't like you no matter what conditions you are in, and there will be girls that like you no matter what conditions you are in, just learn to forget about this shit and be ok with yourself, if a bunch of girls are not, who cares, you will find girls that are not those girls

GOOD LUCK

Author:  dannyDTFboii81 [ Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:20 am ]
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Thanks for putting that into perspective for me. Much appreciated, now time to slay some slampieces!!!

Author:  midlife_crysus [ Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:30 pm ]
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Well the classic dream guy for a woman is tall dark and handsome.

It's been proven that height is an issue in society. Ive personally heard women come right out and say "he's not tall enough'

Some women wont even care if you are butt ugly, so long as you are tall.

Ive actually heard women conversing "Girl, why you messin with that little man, do you know how short your kids are gonna be" and laugh it up.

It's an issue, and not much you can do about it.

Tom Cruise is considered to be a real handsome guy, but many women make fun of his height.

I think a woman feels like shes more important if she walks in a room with the tallest guy there.

But there are many women who just want the guy to be taller than her. And dont forget many women are tiny themselves 4"11 is not unusual for some women. So they would look really weird dating a 6"5 guy

It's all relative, with a general want for a mate to be taller.

I have seen tall hot women with short guys from time to time as well.

I think being tall helps in a club, because women can see you over the crowd.

Author:  jurupa [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:02 am ]
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I think a woman feels like shes more important if she walks in a room with the tallest guy there.
Most important? More like show and tell in a competition way. As girls do compete with each other much like us guys do, but in different playing fields.
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But there are many women who just want the guy to be taller than her. And dont forget many women are tiny themselves 4"11 is not unusual for some women. So they would look really weird dating a 6"5 guy
Um the average height for girls in the US is 5'5". And most girls are not even close to 4'11. Most actually hover around 5'5" in my experience.
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I think being tall helps in a club, because women can see you over the crowd.
Not really. Quite frankly this doesn't help nor hurt a tall person. Being tall helps for other reasons,

Author:  midlife_crysus [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:47 am ]
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I think a woman feels like shes more important if she walks in a room with the tallest guy there.
Most important? More like show and tell in a competition way. As girls do compete with each other much like us guys do, but in different playing fields.
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But there are many women who just want the guy to be taller than her. And dont forget many women are tiny themselves 4"11 is not unusual for some women. So they would look really weird dating a 6"5 guy
Um the average height for girls in the US is 5'5". And most girls are not even close to 4'11. Most actually hover around 5'5" in my experience.
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I think being tall helps in a club, because women can see you over the crowd.
Not really. Quite frankly this doesn't help nor hurt a tall person. Being tall helps for other reasons,
never said MOST, said MORE, and all you said is what I was saying, yes it;s about competition, that is why they want it.

Never said women are 4"11, I said some women are, its not unusual.

That is my thought on height. if u dont think so, that is ok too.

You have an bad habit of assuming your opinions are somehow superior to mine.

Stop correcting me, you may or may not learn something, but it's all personal opinion, every bit of it.

Author:  jurupa [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:39 am ]
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never said MOST, said MORE, and all you said is what I was saying, yes it;s about competition, that is why they want it.

Never said women are 4"11, I said some women are, its not unusual.

That is my thought on height. if u dont think so, thk too.

You have an bad habit of assuming your opinions are somehow superior to mine.

Stop correcting me, you may or may not learn something, but it's all personal opinion, every bit of it.
I didn't catch that you where saying it was competition, I took it off as more them showing off than competing. I know I was trying to correct you as well you said some things that weren't totally true when it comes to height. I am not claiming to be a know it all with height but being 6'6" I think I know at least a thing or two on the subject. I am fully aware that things look different for shorter guys. I get reminded of that when ever I am in public. But the reasons why you posting for why girls like/want tall guys is short sighted to say the least.

I could probably write an essay on the whole height thing. But simply put I think to many guys here put to much value in the whole height thing and such hurting themselves in the process. Because they are only feeding the whole girls must go for tall guy thing. When in reality there is no reason for it. Granted society does give tall guys advantages if you will, all I think girls find appealing.

Author:  Lionheart9999 [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:51 am ]
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It's one of those weird things. I am by no means a full fledged PUA, but have had success with women and women with interest in me of all heights. I am not a tall guy, probably like 5'8.5 or 5'9.

The women I can list with interest in recent memory have been:

5'1
5'2
5'2
5'8
5'6
5'7
5'5
5'3
5'3
5'7

I do not go for taller women. Hell, half the population of women in the US alone is under 5'4 or 5'5. Only one of those women has even expressed anything about height to me, and it was one of the shorter ones. And it was not a negative thing.

I also had a 5'0 girl say I was tall (LOL) the other day. It's all relative.

Author:  midlife_crysus [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:32 pm ]
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never said MOST, said MORE, and all you said is what I was saying, yes it;s about competition, that is why they want it.

Never said women are 4"11, I said some women are, its not unusual.

That is my thought on height. if u dont think so, thk too.

You have an bad habit of assuming your opinions are somehow superior to mine.

Stop correcting me, you may or may not learn something, but it's all personal opinion, every bit of it.
I didn't catch that you where saying it was competition, I took it off as more them showing off than competing. I know I was trying to correct you as well you said some things that weren't totally true when it comes to height. I am not claiming to be a know it all with height but being 6'6" I think I know at least a thing or two on the subject. I am fully aware that things look different for shorter guys. I get reminded of that when ever I am in public. But the reasons why you posting for why girls like/want tall guys is short sighted to say the least.

I could probably write an essay on the whole height thing. But simply put I think to many guys here put to much value in the whole height thing and such hurting themselves in the process. Because they are only feeding the whole girls must go for tall guy thing. When in reality there is no reason for it. Granted society does give tall guys advantages if you will, all I think girls find appealing.
Take some time to educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_discrimination

Dating and marriage

Heightism is also a factor in dating preferences. For some people, height is a noteworthy factor in sexual attractiveness.

The greater reproductive success of taller men is attested to by studies indicating that taller men are more likely to be married and to have more children, except in societies with severe gender imbalances caused by war.[13][14] However, more recent research has drawn this theory into question, finding no correlation between height and offspring count.[15] Moreover, research on leg length and leg-to-body ratio conflict with the notion that there is a distinct preference for taller mates. A 2008 study found that both extremes, tall and short, reduced attractiveness, and a 2006 study found that a lower leg-to-body ratio in men and higher leg-to-body ratio in women increased aesthetic appeal.[16][17] Biologically, from an evolutionary perspective, these findings are consistent with data relating height to human health. Therefore, a biological or, more specifically, an evolutionary argument for the preference of a taller mate is questionable, lacking definitive evidence.

Nonetheless, on a cultural level in Post-industrial society, a sociological relationship between height and perceived attractiveness exists. This cultural characteristic, while applicable to the modernized world, is not a transcendental human quality.[18] Quantitative studies of woman-for-men personal advertisements have shown strong preference for tall men, with a large percentage indicating that a man significantly below average height was unacceptable.[19] A study produced by the Universities of Groningen and Valencia, has found that men, who felt most anxious about attractive, physically dominant, and socially powerful rivals, were less jealous, the taller they were themselves.[20] The study also found that women were most jealous of others' physical attractiveness, but women of medium height were the least jealous.[21] The report, produced by Dutch and Spanish researchers, stated that because average height women tend to be the most fertile and healthy, they would be less likely to feel threatened by women with those similar features.[22]

Paradoxically, a study has shown that in Britain, short women were the most likely to be married and have children. Some reasons which have been suggested for this situation include the fact that short women start puberty earlier than taller women who experience delayed fertility since they spend more energy growing, and that shorter women have a larger pool of men to choose from if they wish for a taller mate.[22] Dr. Adam Eyre-Walker from the Centre for the Study of Evolution at the University of Sussex, argues that the study was done on British people, and so the choices may actually be a result of the influence of culture.[22]

It is unclear and debated as to the extent to which such preferences are innate or are the function of a society in which height discrimination impacts on socio-economic status. Certainly, much is always made in newspapers and magazines of celebrity couples with a notable height difference, especially where a man is shorter than his wife (for example, Jamie Cullum, 7 inches (18 cm) shorter at 5 ft 4 in (1.63 m) than Sophie Dahl, though the difference is often exaggerated).

Author:  jurupa [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:50 pm ]
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never said MOST, said MORE, and all you said is what I was saying, yes it;s about competition, that is why they want it.

Never said women are 4"11, I said some women are, its not unusual.

That is my thought on height. if u dont think so, thk too.

You have an bad habit of assuming your opinions are somehow superior to mine.

Stop correcting me, you may or may not learn something, but it's all personal opinion, every bit of it.
I didn't catch that you where saying it was competition, I took it off as more them showing off than competing. I know I was trying to correct you as well you said some things that weren't totally true when it comes to height. I am not claiming to be a know it all with height but being 6'6" I think I know at least a thing or two on the subject. I am fully aware that things look different for shorter guys. I get reminded of that when ever I am in public. But the reasons why you posting for why girls like/want tall guys is short sighted to say the least.

I could probably write an essay on the whole height thing. But simply put I think to many guys here put to much value in the whole height thing and such hurting themselves in the process. Because they are only feeding the whole girls must go for tall guy thing. When in reality there is no reason for it. Granted society does give tall guys advantages if you will, all I think girls find appealing.
Take some time to educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_discrimination

Dating and marriage

Heightism is also a factor in dating preferences. For some people, height is a noteworthy factor in sexual attractiveness.

The greater reproductive success of taller men is attested to by studies indicating that taller men are more likely to be married and to have more children, except in societies with severe gender imbalances caused by war.[13][14] However, more recent research has drawn this theory into question, finding no correlation between height and offspring count.[15] Moreover, research on leg length and leg-to-body ratio conflict with the notion that there is a distinct preference for taller mates. A 2008 study found that both extremes, tall and short, reduced attractiveness, and a 2006 study found that a lower leg-to-body ratio in men and higher leg-to-body ratio in women increased aesthetic appeal.[16][17] Biologically, from an evolutionary perspective, these findings are consistent with data relating height to human health. Therefore, a biological or, more specifically, an evolutionary argument for the preference of a taller mate is questionable, lacking definitive evidence.

Nonetheless, on a cultural level in Post-industrial society, a sociological relationship between height and perceived attractiveness exists. This cultural characteristic, while applicable to the modernized world, is not a transcendental human quality.[18] Quantitative studies of woman-for-men personal advertisements have shown strong preference for tall men, with a large percentage indicating that a man significantly below average height was unacceptable.[19] A study produced by the Universities of Groningen and Valencia, has found that men, who felt most anxious about attractive, physically dominant, and socially powerful rivals, were less jealous, the taller they were themselves.[20] The study also found that women were most jealous of others' physical attractiveness, but women of medium height were the least jealous.[21] The report, produced by Dutch and Spanish researchers, stated that because average height women tend to be the most fertile and healthy, they would be less likely to feel threatened by women with those similar features.[22]

Paradoxically, a study has shown that in Britain, short women were the most likely to be married and have children. Some reasons which have been suggested for this situation include the fact that short women start puberty earlier than taller women who experience delayed fertility since they spend more energy growing, and that shorter women have a larger pool of men to choose from if they wish for a taller mate.[22] Dr. Adam Eyre-Walker from the Centre for the Study of Evolution at the University of Sussex, argues that the study was done on British people, and so the choices may actually be a result of the influence of culture.[22]

It is unclear and debated as to the extent to which such preferences are innate or are the function of a society in which height discrimination impacts on socio-economic status. Certainly, much is always made in newspapers and magazines of celebrity couples with a notable height difference, especially where a man is shorter than his wife (for example, Jamie Cullum, 7 inches (18 cm) shorter at 5 ft 4 in (1.63 m) than Sophie Dahl, though the difference is often exaggerated).
:lol:

Did you read what you posted and I posted? Because the wiki article and I are saying the same thing. Just in different ways. So I am not exactly sure what I need to be educated on exactly.

Author:  midlife_crysus [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:54 pm ]
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I didn't catch that you where saying it was competition, I took it off as more them showing off than competing. I know I was trying to correct you as well you said some things that weren't totally true when it comes to height. I am not claiming to be a know it all with height but being 6'6" I think I know at least a thing or two on the subject. I am fully aware that things look different for shorter guys. I get reminded of that when ever I am in public. But the reasons why you posting for why girls like/want tall guys is short sighted to say the least.

I could probably write an essay on the whole height thing. But simply put I think to many guys here put to much value in the whole height thing and such hurting themselves in the process. Because they are only feeding the whole girls must go for tall guy thing. When in reality there is no reason for it. Granted society does give tall guys advantages if you will, all I think girls find appealing.
Take some time to educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_discrimination

Dating and marriage

Heightism is also a factor in dating preferences. For some people, height is a noteworthy factor in sexual attractiveness.

The greater reproductive success of taller men is attested to by studies indicating that taller men are more likely to be married and to have more children, except in societies with severe gender imbalances caused by war.[13][14] However, more recent research has drawn this theory into question, finding no correlation between height and offspring count.[15] Moreover, research on leg length and leg-to-body ratio conflict with the notion that there is a distinct preference for taller mates. A 2008 study found that both extremes, tall and short, reduced attractiveness, and a 2006 study found that a lower leg-to-body ratio in men and higher leg-to-body ratio in women increased aesthetic appeal.[16][17] Biologically, from an evolutionary perspective, these findings are consistent with data relating height to human health. Therefore, a biological or, more specifically, an evolutionary argument for the preference of a taller mate is questionable, lacking definitive evidence.

Nonetheless, on a cultural level in Post-industrial society, a sociological relationship between height and perceived attractiveness exists. This cultural characteristic, while applicable to the modernized world, is not a transcendental human quality.[18] Quantitative studies of woman-for-men personal advertisements have shown strong preference for tall men, with a large percentage indicating that a man significantly below average height was unacceptable.[19] A study produced by the Universities of Groningen and Valencia, has found that men, who felt most anxious about attractive, physically dominant, and socially powerful rivals, were less jealous, the taller they were themselves.[20] The study also found that women were most jealous of others' physical attractiveness, but women of medium height were the least jealous.[21] The report, produced by Dutch and Spanish researchers, stated that because average height women tend to be the most fertile and healthy, they would be less likely to feel threatened by women with those similar features.[22]

Paradoxically, a study has shown that in Britain, short women were the most likely to be married and have children. Some reasons which have been suggested for this situation include the fact that short women start puberty earlier than taller women who experience delayed fertility since they spend more energy growing, and that shorter women have a larger pool of men to choose from if they wish for a taller mate.[22] Dr. Adam Eyre-Walker from the Centre for the Study of Evolution at the University of Sussex, argues that the study was done on British people, and so the choices may actually be a result of the influence of culture.[22]

It is unclear and debated as to the extent to which such preferences are innate or are the function of a society in which height discrimination impacts on socio-economic status. Certainly, much is always made in newspapers and magazines of celebrity couples with a notable height difference, especially where a man is shorter than his wife (for example, Jamie Cullum, 7 inches (18 cm) shorter at 5 ft 4 in (1.63 m) than Sophie Dahl, though the difference is often exaggerated).
:lol:

Did you read what you posted and I posted? Because the wiki article and I are saying the same thing. Just in different ways. So I am not exactly sure what I need to be educated on exactly.
ahhh the king of spin. never mind

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