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Author:  phangan [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Consistent Sex on First Meeting – Here’s How:
I was thinking about at all the chicks I’ve been with over the last year and how almost every girl I’ve met for a “date” slept with me that night within about two or three hours. Forums of the pick up community are filled by stories of guys who struggle to convert phone numbers and meetings into sex, with descriptions of long seductions that take weeks and months, stories I can’t relate to at all…. Weeks? Months? What the hell are they talking about… sex is easy.

So I looked back on my “dates” and tried analyzing what exactly I’ve been doing, reverse engineering backwards the meeting from sex to the initial encounter. What was I telling these girls that made them want to sleep with me?

What I realized is that much of what I’m doing goes against “community wisdom”, stuff that is a little counter intuitive, particularly in the areas of conversational topics and revealing too much too quickly.

I CAN'T COPY the whole thing here, Google will penalize my blog, read the rest here: http://vanofvictory.com/consistent-sex- ... heres-how/ and if you have any comment or question - leave them here.

Cheers
Author:  daffy duck [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:53 am ]
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In my twenties i ONLY had mainly one night stands. i only had 2 LTRs between 1993 and 2006 - none lasting more than 9 months.

I have no idea how i did it except for i had intimacy issues, emotional issues and delusions of grandeur.
Author:  phangan [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:22 am ]
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I've been in a 9 years LTR and I refuse to be in another one, it's a choice. Monogamy isn't natural... you're making it sound like there was something wrong with you, that's not necessarily true, you might have just known that a LTR isn't for you and there's nothing wrong with it.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:45 am ]
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I've read the article on your blog. What's working mainly to your advantage is what researchers call 'novelty'. Since you only stay in one place for a limited time, you've become a scarce and novel commodity. Girls who would have sex with you will never have to worry about the social consequences later on. It's the girls on vacation phenomenon in reverse.

Moreover, all it takes, scientifically speaking, to go from wide rapport (or light banter as you call it) to deep rapport (serious topics about your aspirations and her aspirations) is a mere 10 minutes. But AFCs have to breach the 4-minute disqualification mark first before they can go into wide rapport without getting blown off. If they've not been blown off in the wide rapport stage, then they can go to deep rapport. If they're not blown off in the deep rapport stage, then they can immediately shift to the emotional connection stage and right on to the f-close.

The problem lies in mastering each single step and integrating all steps to cut the time to f-close in 30 minutes or less. But a good conversational skill is just one way to skin the cat.

Stelar's and vicparkguy83's methods work too at the shortest possible time if you summed up all of the time investment. And these methods do not require any deep or wide rapport building not even emotional connection creation. SexAddict's style as well as Retired Rodeo's style (although I haven't field tested these pick up methods as a whole yet) can also get you a same day lay or same night lay. The same day lays or same night lays for these styles are highly probable based on scientific grounding and first hand observation.

The reasons why you're getting your success now while most of us still have a long way to go are:
  • 1. You have mastered all stages needed from the opening to the f-close. A skillful pick up artist can get the job done in lesser time.

    2. You have the advantage of novelty.
It's still taking us weeks or months as you call it because we are still mastering the steps leading to the f-close. But when I was traveling a lot too, my fastest f-close was 3 hours. I didn't know any PUA materials back then. But that's a hit or miss basis that can't be attributed to skill.

We are here to learn and polish skills. Most of us are taking time to get to where you are. It's called a learning curve rather than 'community wisdom'. :twisted:
Author:  Bouncerr [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:40 pm ]
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Wow ''Coincidence doesn't exist''..

I was just thinking about this stuff only yesterday, thinking about how different I do some things in comparison with the community.

Things like:
Don't try to be all mysterious, just tell a good/fun story about your life or experiences. Or bring up a 'deeper' subject if it pops into your head, even political stuff is fun to discuss, as long as your not going to debate with her and know when to stop (ofcourse you can argue about something, but women aren't as logical as men are, so at some point you should stop).
This also is way more fun because you have to hold yourself back less, your having better conversations & its sooo easy to keep such convos going:p

Keep up the good work man, this shows the new guys that you should keep being sceptical with determing what's working for them and whats not. :)
Author:  phangan [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:53 pm ]
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Stelar's and vicparkguy83's methods work too at the shortest possible time if you summed up all of the time investment
Hey man,

Good post, thanks. I've done the same when I wasn't traveling but of course there is something about me being there for just a day or two, being a novelty as you call it.

I've actually written a guide for SNLs with the help of Stelar ( http://vanofvictory.com/the-ultimate-gu ... night-lays ) but I have to add something to that... Stelar wrote several times that he is "very good looking" and he also lives in Romania (he posted a video from Bellagio club in Bucharest) .

I've been traveling for a long time and I can tell you with high degree of certainty that such method won't work everywhere with such a high degree of success + you really do have to be good looking to pull them off. Sex in Romania is like.... shaking hands somewhere else :-) Sex is VERY free in Romania. I actually just came back 10 minutes ago from a water park here in Mamaia (Romania, on the Black Sea) There were so many young chicks there walking with their tops off.... I've NEVER seen anything like that. They are very free with their body here.

I did use his method a few times myself, successfully, but then at other times, I blew up my chances with chicks who liked me just because I was too direct. Instead of telling them "lets jump to my room so I can change my shirt" I told them "lets go to my place, I want to give you an orgasm"..... guess what? The first line works much better. Even if the girl wants to sleep with you - she'd usually prefer for you to invite her to the "seduction location" in a more subtle way.

There's nothing I like better than being super direct and fast but my personal experience is that it's less effective than "staying in" and then bringing them back home with you (or into a van of victory!) with some kind on an excuse...

In that post about SNLs I suggest to combine the two methods - start the night by building rapport with a few chicks, getting some solid numbers, and then at the end of the night, when there is not a lot of time anyway -> going direct "Stelar" style.

By the way, I was about to meet Stelar but then they banned him and I don't have anyway to contact him. If anybody has his direct contact information, let me know...

Thanks again for reading.
Author:  CaptainJackHarkness [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:24 pm ]
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I personally am direct, and hard...but one thing I never do is tell them "lets fuck back at my place"

I don't know why or what it is, but no woman even a complete slut doesn't want that. LOL.

Well...it has only worked with me very little times. As for building rapport at clubs, useless. Utterly useless unless you plan on seriously seeing the girl again or hope to pull her...but I establish logistics very early on to see if I even want to BOTHER with the girl. Most girls are never in a position to be pulled...and then sadly I have to be with some girl who is not my first choice.

As for phanagan, the lays or "consistency" of them can be argued due to cultural context. I met a girl from Ukraine the other night in Hollywood and I basically took her right from the line at a club, direct, lots of kino, to a kiss on the spot, to a pull within 10 minutes of stating "I'll bring her back" to a friend.

I don't think there is any "mastery" to pick up when it comes to "pulling" or even same night (pulling)/same day lays. It is very obvious if the girl is willing to allow your romantic advances, it can happen on the same day/night and if the logistics align. In the end, it's the woman's choice and as PUAs we just make our intent known which is called "skill" or outer game.

I do usually call bullshit on outer game. I find no such thing exists in my experience. But obviously, the actual inner game takes time...and mostly a learning curve. People learn at different stages. Obviously the hardest thing is inner game. Outer game is cake.
Author:  phangan [ Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:56 am ]
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Quote:
...Utterly useless unless you plan on seriously seeing the girl again or hope to pull her..
Good post but why are you talking to a girl if you're not planning on pulling her or seeing her again?

Good job with the Ukrainian bro.
Author:  daffy duck [ Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:40 am ]
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Quote:
I've been in a 9 years LTR and I refuse to be in another one, it's a choice. Monogamy isn't natural... you're making it sound like there was something wrong with you, that's not necessarily true, you might have just known that a LTR isn't for you and there's nothing wrong with it.
How you feel about LTR's is how I feel about ONS's....

We are different facets of the same spectrum.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:21 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Hey man,

Good post, thanks. I've done the same when I wasn't traveling but of course there is something about me being there for just a day or two, being a novelty as you call it.

I've actually written a guide for SNLs with the help of Stelar ( http://vanofvictory.com/the-ultimate-gu ... night-lays ) but I have to add something to that... Stelar wrote several times that he is "very good looking" and he also lives in Romania (he posted a video from Bellagio club in Bucharest) .

I've been traveling for a long time and I can tell you with high degree of certainty that such method won't work everywhere with such a high degree of success + you really do have to be good looking to pull them off. Sex in Romania is like.... shaking hands somewhere else :-) Sex is VERY free in Romania. I actually just came back 10 minutes ago from a water park here in Mamaia (Romania, on the Black Sea) There were so many young chicks there walking with their tops off.... I've NEVER seen anything like that. They are very free with their body here.

I did use his method a few times myself, successfully, but then at other times, I blew up my chances with chicks who liked me just because I was too direct. Instead of telling them "lets jump to my room so I can change my shirt" I told them "lets go to my place, I want to give you an orgasm"..... guess what? The first line works much better. Even if the girl wants to sleep with you - she'd usually prefer for you to invite her to the "seduction location" in a more subtle way.

There's nothing I like better than being super direct and fast but my personal experience is that it's less effective than "staying in" and then bringing them back home with you (or into a van of victory!) with some kind on an excuse...

In that post about SNLs I suggest to combine the two methods - start the night by building rapport with a few chicks, getting some solid numbers, and then at the end of the night, when there is not a lot of time anyway -> going direct "Stelar" style.

By the way, I was about to meet Stelar but then they banned him and I don't have anyway to contact him. If anybody has his direct contact information, let me know...

Thanks again for reading.
Kewl.

I know Stelar is silently lurking around. Hey Stelar. Leave Phangan your contact info at Bellagio club in Bucharest. A simple wall graffiti at the john with the scribbling:
  • PHANGAN --> Stelar's Contact Info
should do the trick. A green neon colored marker will validate that you're indeed Stelar.

Happy sarging bros. :twisted:
Author:  phangan [ Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:40 pm ]
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PHANGAN --> Stelar's Contact Info
Wow. It worked!
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