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Author:  theRocker [ Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  let's start! an example explaining why i'm such not prepared

guys i'll make you an example of what happened just yesterday night..

so, i use to be in contact with this girl almost daily by whazupp's chat since i started approaching her, convincing her to join my student association.. yesterday she ended up to call me asking what i was going to do that night.. after small talk i said that i was going to join the other guys of the association, and that i was calling her when i was there in order her to join US (i used "us" hoping to demonstrate value)..
so finally i didn't call her taking my time (always hoping to demonstrate value) and she (and her friends) found us before i called.. but when she saw me, she didn't complain about that..
we stayed all the night together with all the guys.. and at the end of the night i succeeded (i admit it, i was a bit lucky) in bringing her home by car..

so here comes the interesting part.. we've arrived under her house, and i don't want her to think i am going to try to "pull the trigger" so i stay there showing to be waiting her to go away.. she's keeping talking and soon she switches off my car telling something like "just wait the conversation to end".. (IOI??) so she continues speaking about her fucking boring problems.. i interact, but it's almost her speaking about exams and about her problems in general.. while speaking i try some kinos, but she seems not to respond..
after, i guess, 1 hour (1 hour speaking about her problems.. it often happens to me that girls try to exploit me.. they always need help with the studies, or with their problems!!) i manage in taking the conversation to something lighter.. i am thinking to use the line "i'm going crazy trying not to kiss you".. but she is now with the body far from me in the car, and so far i couldn't escalate kino in the way i wanted, so i don't use it.. instead i say something like "it's late, it's time to go"..
she hesitates..

theRocker: "goodnight kiss" putting my arm back to her shoulder..
HB: "no.. no"..
theRocker "no what?"

finally it ends up to have and give kiss on the cheeks.. and she says "come with me under my home... i can't go alone, it's late..".. so i do it.. under her home we have some small funny talk (did i have to try to kiss close her now? i thought i didn't).. we kiss again on the cheeks before i go away..

i was also thinking to use the line "can i use the toilet?" to go inside, but, you know, when there is no kino escalation i am discouraged to try to do anything.. i think staying one hour speaking about her fucking problems is a fucking IOD!! i don't know..
last thing that is important to be considered: she had (probably still has) a relationship with a guy who now left forever Italy.. she keeps being in contact with him.. but sometimes she said me that at this age it's normal that relations come and go (IOI?)..

Author:  KimPa [ Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:36 pm ]
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Dude, you had the chance! Twice!! She told you wait until conversation is over. That's one. You should have said yeah we can do that , or what the hell why wait? And come closer for a kiss! Boom! And the other one was at the end when u were leaving! She def wanted you to kiss her. Dont be a vigina and do it next time. If you are afraid of losing her you will lose her.

Author:  debovnik [ Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:32 pm ]
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I dont understand the question here...

However, yes, you had some chances. Remember your kino

Author:  theRocker [ Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:54 pm ]
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but man.. when i said "goodnight kiss" i was not going to kiss her on the check!! i wanted to fucking kiss-close!
but it was like telling it, then I put the arm back to her shoulder, going to kiss.. and... "no.. no..!!".. she was like moving her head away.. what's that?? isn't it an IOD??

so after that I let her understand that I only wanted to say goodnight by kissing on the check.. so?? what did I have to do instead??

moreover there are some news: yesterday i met her (the HB) again with the other friends.. I started joking with an other girl in the set of 2 people trying to demonstrate higher value.. it happened that:

obstacle: i went with HB to flirt with some guys!!
theRocker: good! but you know, you can do it, but HB can't because she is in a relationship.. (cause if you remember, she stays in a relationship with a guy who already left the country forever!) (hope it goes to DHV)

HB made a strange face, but she didn't say anything..

obstacle: and what does it mean?? i just have fun letting guys think I like them, then I like to refuse them!!
theRocker: you are the only girl I know who likes to refuse guys, instead of staying with them!! hahaha!! etc...

finally what do you suggest me to do as next step with the HB? should I invite her to go out with me alone?? or what else?? thnx

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