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Author:  Riter [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Not a question..just a fact. (Advanced)
I understand A1, A2, A3 etc..will I apply it? Sure. I've been researching articles over the world wide web and came across MM formula.

The attraction phase is divided into :
A1 - Approach
A2 - Attracting the HB
A3 - Allowing her to demonstrate her value to give her an earned IOI
(If she doesn't earn it she's gonna get it you're hitting on her.)

Apparently in this phase you want her to be attracted to you, and her not thinking you're hitting on her or want to get into her pants.

SO IT BEGINS!

• OPENER (with FTC and Neg)
• FTC
• IVD#1
• DHV Story#1
• Confirm 3 IOI’s? If yes then Qualify (Move into A3 stack), Or…
• DHV Story#2
• Confirm 3 IOI’s? If yes then Qualify (Move into A3 stack), Or…
• Continue with IVD #2 or DHV #3 and Qualify (Move into A3 stack)

http://www.venusianarts.com/routine-sta ... a1-and-a2/


There are other methods to DHV, for example I prefer Cocky Funny, and Push Pull instead of telling really long stories. But DHV's can add value with pre-selection, etc. Just make sure you calibrate your body language and speech to her IOI's and IOD's. If she turns her body away, slightly turn your body away. There must be balance people! Balance!!!

there is a lot that is hidden that people seem to not tell you, such as you must IOI for IOI and IOD for IOD and follow up with a compliance test. Don't Neg (IOD) someone who's obviously giving you an IOI. This site has all the arsenal needed to fill in the blanks with routines, material, or anything you may feel is natural.

I'm currently working on the A1, A2 and A3 for now building skillsets on the attraction phase though it gets frustrating to have built all that attraction with her and have to immediately turn it off because I haven't thoroughly learned C1, C2, and C3.
Author:  agentprovocateur [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:38 pm ]
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MM is garbage.
Author:  Flex007 [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:52 pm ]
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The MM has been over complicated to creat material to sell, you can learn all the important stuff about the MM from watching the pick up artist TV show.

I don't like the story telling approach either, I found it better to show certain attractive personality trats, such as humour (cocky funny), playfulness, confidence and dominance, a good DHV mentallity is not careing too much, a willingness to walk away from any situation.
Author:  detox75 [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:00 pm ]
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MM has some very good points but defines a strict structure which is overly confining. This results in the OP mixing terms and confuting so many acronyms that the salient points are lost and it looks like you have to walk a tightrope of scripted material and steps to succeed..

I would suggest focus on understanding a1..a2 and secure A2 (the most important part of MM by far) by whatever DHVs you find most helpful. A3, C1,C2,C3 are pretty unnecessary for new guys and for those who are not gaming 9's and 10's specifically.
Author:  Little Panda [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not a question..just a fact. (Advanced)
Quote:
• DHV Story#1
You think she'll be more attracted to you if you talk about your ferrari? Or the girl you saved from sharks? Or how you consistently bang other women?

DHV stories are useless.

Focus more on creating a connection between the two of you, rather than sucking her in to your bullshit stories.
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• Confirm 3 IOI’s? If yes then Qualify (Move into A3 stack), Or…
Why three? Give me an answer based on your own thinking, not Mystery's. Why three?

If she starts kissing your neck, should you push her away and wait to get 2 more IOI's from her?
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If she turns her body away, slightly turn your body away. There must be balance people! Balance!!!
Common sense rather than balance . . . If you talk to someone and that person turns away from you, giving clear signs she's not interested - you don't push it.

You think you'll create balance this way? She turns her body away from you, so therefore you turn her body away from her. Two people standing in the same position, turned away from each other. Awkward much? Do you expect her to go 'Oh my . . . He's not interested anymore. I better turn back and spread my legs for him'.

She's in fact happy you finally left her alone. That's the only thing that rule teaches you. To be less creepy and leave a girl alone when it's time to do so.
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there is a lot that is hidden that people seem to not tell you, such as you must IOI for IOI and IOD for IOD and follow up with a compliance test. Don't Neg (IOD) someone who's obviously giving you an IOI.
So you're saying that if someone is nice to you . . . You should be nice back? Yes? And if someone is . . . not nice to you, you should also be not nice back? Yes?

Figure this one out for yourself.

Keywords: Circus monkey. Child.

That is all.
Author:  Riter [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:42 pm ]
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You think you'll create balance this way? She turns her body away from you, so therefore you turn her body away from her. Two people standing in the same position, turned away from each other. Awkward much?
Yeah that's pretty awkward. I guess it would make more sense to build more on the attraction and then going back for a compliance test? I'll show her IOD's so she doesn't think I'm hitting on her.(Obviously I am into her because I selected her) Fact is she would turn away if she is creeped out or feeling that I am hitting on her. The whole point of an opener is to drop the bitch shields, then continue with creating attraction, then letting her demonstrate her value so I can give her a proper IOI because too many IOI's would just be obvious and creepy. (I'm referring to a girl who isn't into me right off the bat)

Note: If she obviously isn't into me I'm willing to walk away. But it's to be suggestive when that moment would happen.
Author:  CaptainJackHarkness [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:42 pm ]
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Mystery Method is trash and garbage combined in a heaping pile of shit.
Author:  Riter [ Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:33 am ]
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I need a damn formula. My brain doesn't work without a structure to fill in the blanks. I'm constantly reading, don't make me go to a workshop. I swear if I have to take a trip to London for 3 days of game I will be one poor fuck. I'm not complaining here but balancing college and the game is pretty damn hard and its starting to wear me out.
Author:  CaptainJackHarkness [ Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:03 am ]
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I need a damn formula. My brain doesn't work without a structure to fill in the blanks. I'm constantly reading, don't make me go to a workshop. I swear if I have to take a trip to London for 3 days of game I will be one poor fuck. I'm not complaining here but balancing college and the game is pretty damn hard and its starting to wear me out.
Pick Up shouldn't be structured. Life is ever-changing. People are variables. It shouldn't be fake and setup like a math equation. It isn't that bleak.
Author:  crowdude [ Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:02 am ]
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Pickup can definitely be structured, otherwise you'd just be relying purely on natural game.
MM works for me to an extent, but it is a lot of effort to get right.

At the moment I mix it up with small amounts of MM for funny routines, 60 yoc's microescalation which works wonders, and cocky/funny which tends to be my natural game.

It doesn't matter which method you adopt, as long as you have the fundamentals down like being able to hold a conversation, not being awkward etc. any of the published methods will work.
Author:  Little Panda [ Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:12 pm ]
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I'll show her IOD's so she doesn't think I'm hitting on her.
Why? You think she actually believes you walked up to her because you genuienly wanted her to think of a number between 1 and 10?

Girls sense bullshit far better than guys do. She's not stupid. She knows you're playing games with her, no matter how much you try to be 'under the radar'.

There is absolutely no need to hide your intentions. In fact, it's easier and quicker than any other indirect method; not to mention the fact that you're being REAL with her. This is a HUGE attraction switch. Once a girl sees you're not playing games and you're going for what you want in life (in this case, her) - she will instantly sense your strength and appreciate your actions.

Even if she rejects you, she will appreciate you were being honest with her.

Ask any girl that gets hit on a lot. Would she rather:

#1: Reject a guy that walked up to her like 'Girl I want you to imagine a cube . . .' and started bullshitting into a conversation for 5 minutes, or . . .

#2: Would she rather reject a normal, honest guy that walked up to her and stated his intentions. 'I couldn't get my eyes off of you, so I had to walk up and say hi'.

Not only is option #2 not nearly as annoying and creepy as option #1, but it saves YOU a lot of time. No more 'sitting at home memorizing bullshit routines' (which don't even get you laid for that matter) and no more dishonesty.

Instead, you got a quicker game that's more efficient and ATTRACTIVE than #1 - and not to mention you're not lying to her or yourself anymore . . . Which is, by the way, the key to becoming better and improving at ANYTHING in life.
Author:  Flex007 [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:30 pm ]
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Some of the MM is very good and it does work, much of it is based around social psychology and an understanding of the way people work and respond.

It is irrational and ignorant to say it's all garbage.
Author:  KimPa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:34 pm ]
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This is so geeky.. lol, what if you forget which step comes after which step?
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