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Presuming she's not that invested in you a freeze out will backfire

Hi everyone.

A question on how long I should freezeout for.

A slightly long post but any help would be really appreciated.

A girl in my class who I gamed well initially last year but then failed to act as at the time I had no interest in her.

Around the new year I developed one-itus for her. (Only a minor case)
In february we got together after a night out and slept together but didn't have sex.

Afterwards she says it didn't mean anything it was just fun but obviously it meant something to me.

Anyway I decided to do a freezeout and have been for about three weeks, in that time only contacted had one text conversation with her which was short and don't talk to her anywhere as much as I used to at college.

She texts me around once every four days to ask how I'm doing but most of the time I don't reply.

How long should i keep the freezeout going for? I think she misses me but not in a sexual way at the moment.

What are actions on to continue?

Background info: Solid game with other girls, no problems with night or day game and understand the mechanics, simply have never had to instigate a freezeout before.

Thanks in advance!

Shadowsun

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Personally in my opinion trying to freeze a girl out is lame. A guy should not have to go through these sort of games just to get laid

Agent you my fine sir are probably the only other person I've seen on here who understands what a TRUE freeze out is

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Presuming she's not that invested in you a freeze out will backfire

You don't freeze out someone because they don't like you; just think, if you don't like a girl, and she doesn't talk to you for a week, do you automatically like her now? NO, why would this work? think about it...

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Personally in my opinion trying to freeze a girl out is lame. A guy should not have to go through these sort of games just to get laid

I agree, any PUA should have an abundance mentality. Even if you don't have an overflow of women yet, you should still maintain the mentality. A freeze out should be natural, as in:

Ok this bitch is playing games, its time to move on, if she pursues me again, then maybe i'll fuck her a few more times, if not. OH WELL! I have so many more women to work on at the moment. ( even if you don't have a ton of women in your current cache, there is women everywhere)

If you are reduced to having to play silly little games with women to feel like you are in control, you are in fact the one that is being controlled.

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Personally in my opinion trying to freeze a girl out is lame. A guy should not have to go through these sort of games just to get laid

that's what they call "one-itis". you feel like your little games actually have any type of impact because YOU care. this is so lame!

i enjoy telling girls that seem not too into me, that I'M the one that's not interested and that they are kind of boring to me. followed by a "sorry". lame too, but it makes me feel better about myself!

HB's are touched by that sort of response because they are much too used to guys chasing. if she does not respond to my messages or tries gaming me, i tell her straight up. it also re-sparks something in about 20% of the cases if done correctly.

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How old are you?

Author:	Shadowsun [ Tue May 15, 2012 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:	How to effectively freezeout?
Hi everyone. A question on how long I should freezeout for. A slightly long post but any help would be really appreciated. A girl in my class who I gamed well initially last year but then failed to act as at the time I had no interest in her. Around the new year I developed one-itus for her. (Only a minor case) In february we got together after a night out and slept together but didn't have sex. Afterwards she says it didn't mean anything it was just fun but obviously it meant something to me. Anyway I decided to do a freezeout and have been for about three weeks, in that time only contacted had one text conversation with her which was short and don't talk to her anywhere as much as I used to at college. She texts me around once every four days to ask how I'm doing but most of the time I don't reply. How long should i keep the freezeout going for? I think she misses me but not in a sexual way at the moment. What are actions on to continue? Background info: Solid game with other girls, no problems with night or day game and understand the mechanics, simply have never had to instigate a freezeout before. Thanks in advance! Shadowsun

Author:	RetiredRodeo [ Tue May 15, 2012 8:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How to effectively freezeout?
Define your goal. Without one, It's pointless. It sounds like she's already moved on, but feels badly about it - which DLVs you, frankly. I'd have already moved on and started sarging others.... RR

Author:	Redlight [ Tue May 15, 2012 8:27 pm ]
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Freeze-outs are effective for short periods of time... hours, days at most. Out of sight, out of mind, so don't over-do it. Last time I froze-out a chick was last week and didn't contact her for a couple of days after she didn't want to make-out. We met accidentally at a club, light kino and some banter, then I ejected to another club. She texted wanting to meet... That's as far as I would freeze-out. Whenever I tried it for more than a week, things didn't go for the better...

Author:	AlphaBettaKappa [ Thu May 24, 2012 4:06 pm ]
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Thanks to this forum, I'm currently trying to freeze out a oneitus situation. Oneitus is a deadly thing man, but the best advice I can say is admit it to yourself. I tend to notice that women come in waves and there is obviously a reason for this. When you only have one option you tend to obsess and put it on the pedastal more. Get in the state of mind that you don't need women and you'll be more successful. I am starting to believe that there is no way to salvage a oneitus situation because a female will never look at you the same way anymore.

Author:	agentprovocateur [ Thu May 24, 2012 4:39 pm ]
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I posted this in another thread no long ago, take what applies: "Presuming she's not that invested in you a freeze out will backfire (time has passed, she doesn't care, and the rapport by that point is completely gone). That said, only freeze-out when you're absolutely sure the girl IS moderately to deeply invested in you. Calling a girl out, can have virtually the same affect with the added message that she's the one in the driver's seat; your reactivity wont gain you points, and will in fact lower your value to her substantially. Personally I think freezing out is stupid because it can be seen is a form of pouting. Think back to when you were a child and somebody did something you didn't like - you became passive aggressive and simply wouldn't call that friend, or take that friend's call for a while to stay justified in your anger and also to presumably teach that person a lesson ("you wont place nice? I'll just ignore you then!"). One caveat to freezing out is that the only time it'll work is in the beginning when she doesn't know you too well but for whatever reason she's drawn to you. This is because she does not know how to make sense of your behavior ("is he being aloof, or mad, or what?") sending her on a spiral of emotions entertaining thoughts of what might be going through your head (she'll never know) - point is she doesn't know your patterns at this early stage in the game. The whole point of freezing out is a form of punishment (classical conditioning) to provide an adverse reaction or response so the behavior is disconintued. The problem with punishment, however, is that while it tells a person what NOT to do, it does not tell them what to do. In addition, it plays on a person's insecurities/attachment fears ("is he seeing someone else, or losing interest in me?") which is highly exploitative and unhealthy, particularly if you want to build a healthy relationship with the person. Is your response to anything she does that you disprove of to simply become aloof and act as though you don't care? In the end you need to define what your objective is with the woman. If you just want to have her as a fuck buddy then quash whatever shit she's done, act like it didn't happen and just have a cavalier attitude towards things. If you're already having sex with her (this is the point where women typically become more invested and backwards rationalize everything leading up to that point as being the right decision) and you want something more, call her out but do so in a confident, non-aggressive and humble way. Don't rub her face in it; things are only as big a deal as you make them out to be. At the end of the day if you can't control your frame state then perhaps its best to take a step back and get your own shit together so you're less reactive towards others and can establish and maintain boundaries more effectively)."

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Author:	charblad [ Thu May 24, 2012 9:48 pm ]
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Agent you my fine sir are probably the only other person I've seen on here who understands what a TRUE freeze out is Quote: Presuming she's not that invested in you a freeze out will backfire You don't freeze out someone because they don't like you; just think, if you don't like a girl, and she doesn't talk to you for a week, do you automatically like her now? NO, why would this work? think about it...

Author:	Psychotic [ Thu May 24, 2012 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How to effectively freezeout?
Quote: Hi everyone. A question on how long I should freezeout for. A slightly long post but any help would be really appreciated. A girl in my class who I gamed well initially last year but then failed to act as at the time I had no interest in her. Around the new year I developed one-itus for her. (Only a minor case) In february we got together after a night out and slept together but didn't have sex. Afterwards she says it didn't mean anything it was just fun but obviously it meant something to me. Anyway I decided to do a freezeout and have been for about three weeks, in that time only contacted had one text conversation with her which was short and don't talk to her anywhere as much as I used to at college. She texts me around once every four days to ask how I'm doing but most of the time I don't reply. How long should i keep the freezeout going for? I think she misses me but not in a sexual way at the moment. What are actions on to continue? Background info: Solid game with other girls, no problems with night or day game and understand the mechanics, simply have never had to instigate a freezeout before. Thanks in advance! Shadowsun Personally in my opinion trying to freeze a girl out is lame. A guy should not have to go through these sort of games just to get laid

Author:	RetiredRodeo [ Thu May 24, 2012 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How to effectively freezeout?
Quote: Quote: Hi everyone. A question on how long I should freezeout for. A slightly long post but any help would be really appreciated. A girl in my class who I gamed well initially last year but then failed to act as at the time I had no interest in her. Around the new year I developed one-itus for her. (Only a minor case) In february we got together after a night out and slept together but didn't have sex. Afterwards she says it didn't mean anything it was just fun but obviously it meant something to me. Anyway I decided to do a freezeout and have been for about three weeks, in that time only contacted had one text conversation with her which was short and don't talk to her anywhere as much as I used to at college. She texts me around once every four days to ask how I'm doing but most of the time I don't reply. How long should i keep the freezeout going for? I think she misses me but not in a sexual way at the moment. What are actions on to continue? Background info: Solid game with other girls, no problems with night or day game and understand the mechanics, simply have never had to instigate a freezeout before. Thanks in advance! Shadowsun Personally in my opinion trying to freeze a girl out is lame. A guy should not have to go through these sort of games just to get laid I feeeze out over fucking, that's it - and it's been successful as a whole. Otherwise if I get the desire to freeze her out, I simply bounce. RR

Author:	SexAddict911 [ Thu May 24, 2012 10:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How to effectively freezeout?
Quote: Personally in my opinion trying to freeze a girl out is lame. A guy should not have to go through these sort of games just to get laid I agree, any PUA should have an abundance mentality. Even if you don't have an overflow of women yet, you should still maintain the mentality. A freeze out should be natural, as in: Ok this bitch is playing games, its time to move on, if she pursues me again, then maybe i'll fuck her a few more times, if not. OH WELL! I have so many more women to work on at the moment. ( even if you don't have a ton of women in your current cache, there is women everywhere) If you are reduced to having to play silly little games with women to feel like you are in control, you are in fact the one that is being controlled.

Author:	daffy duck [ Thu May 24, 2012 10:36 pm ]
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I'm currently freezing out my oneitis but not particularly because i'm trying to game her but because to do anything else would just be torturing myself. we work in the same office. i had to freeze her out in order to get my life back on track otherwise i would constantly be analysing every email she sent or every word she spoke. granted i'm still doing that now every time i catch her looking over but its easier this way. that doesnt mean i'd be a jerk to her. i still say hi if i pass her or whatever, it just means i'm not going to lavish the attention on her now that i did before. i really miss the constant banter and chemistry that we had but my attention is far too valuable to be wasted on someone who isn't (or claims not to be) interested.

Author:	agentprovocateur [ Fri May 25, 2012 12:19 am ]
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Quote: Agent you my fine sir are probably the only other person I've seen on here who understands what a TRUE freeze out is Quote: Presuming she's not that invested in you a freeze out will backfire You don't freeze out someone because they don't like you; just think, if you don't like a girl, and she doesn't talk to you for a week, do you automatically like her now? NO, why would this work? think about it... Ya man, I think most of the cats here she avoid freezing out. That said, by all means remain elusive (after having an awesome time with her, don't be so eager to see her every day of the week thereafter). Girls, on average, have far more options than guys as males are the pursuers and as such girls are getting far more guys throwing themselves at their feet than guys get girls. In short, girls have to expend little to no energy to get guys chasing them (many of average to good looking girls simply have to walk out their homes to get hit on). So freezing out a girl who has much more options than you do (she can replace you rather easily) particularly when she's not even that invested in you is a sure way to lose her for good.

Author:	DJ_Z [ Fri May 25, 2012 1:34 am ]
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Freezeouts are for girls that are into you, but dont' fuck you. If the girl isn't interested, you find another girl. For the record, though, a freezeout is when you basically friendzone a girl. Let's say you're making out, reach down to finger her, and she pushes your hand away, does it a couple times. You then would just say "okay" and do something mundane, like get a glass of water and turn on the television. You don't pout, you don't even acknowledge her rejection. Then you try again later. The point is you demonstrate that you're not shaken by her initially pushing you away, but you're not interested in just making out. See the difference? The girl has to be into you, at that time, for a freezeout to work. If she doesn't give two shits about you, she won't notice you stopped texting her.

Author:	Zepter [ Fri May 25, 2012 10:40 am ]
Post subject:	Re: How to effectively freezeout?
Quote: Quote: Personally in my opinion trying to freeze a girl out is lame. A guy should not have to go through these sort of games just to get laid I agree, any PUA should have an abundance mentality. Even if you don't have an overflow of women yet, you should still maintain the mentality. A freeze out should be natural, as in: Ok this bitch is playing games, its time to move on, if she pursues me again, then maybe i'll fuck her a few more times, if not. OH WELL! I have so many more women to work on at the moment. ( even if you don't have a ton of women in your current cache, there is women everywhere) If you are reduced to having to play silly little games with women to feel like you are in control, you are in fact the one that is being controlled. that's what they call "one-itis". you feel like your little games actually have any type of impact because YOU care. this is so lame! i enjoy telling girls that seem not too into me, that I'M the one that's not interested and that they are kind of boring to me. followed by a "sorry". lame too, but it makes me feel better about myself! HB's are touched by that sort of response because they are much too used to guys chasing. if she does not respond to my messages or tries gaming me, i tell her straight up. it also re-sparks something in about 20% of the cases if done correctly.

Author:	RetiredRodeo [ Fri May 25, 2012 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How to effectively freezeout?
Quote: Quote: Quote: Personally in my opinion trying to freeze a girl out is lame. A guy should not have to go through these sort of games just to get laid I agree, any PUA should have an abundance mentality. Even if you don't have an overflow of women yet, you should still maintain the mentality. A freeze out should be natural, as in: Ok this bitch is playing games, its time to move on, if she pursues me again, then maybe i'll fuck her a few more times, if not. OH WELL! I have so many more women to work on at the moment. ( even if you don't have a ton of women in your current cache, there is women everywhere) If you are reduced to having to play silly little games with women to feel like you are in control, you are in fact the one that is being controlled. that's what they call "one-itis". you feel like your little games actually have any type of impact because YOU care. this is so lame! i enjoy telling girls that seem not too into me, that I'M the one that's not interested and that they are kind of boring to me. followed by a "sorry". lame too, but it makes me feel better about myself! HB's are touched by that sort of response because they are much too used to guys chasing. if she does not respond to my messages or tries gaming me, i tell her straight up. it also re-sparks something in about 20% of the cases if done correctly. How old are you?

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Author:	Zepter [ Fri May 25, 2012 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: How to effectively freezeout?
Quote: Quote: Quote: I agree, any PUA should have an abundance mentality. Even if you don't have an overflow of women yet, you should still maintain the mentality. A freeze out should be natural, as in: Ok this bitch is playing games, its time to move on, if she pursues me again, then maybe i'll fuck her a few more times, if not. OH WELL! I have so many more women to work on at the moment. ( even if you don't have a ton of women in your current cache, there is women everywhere) If you are reduced to having to play silly little games with women to feel like you are in control, you are in fact the one that is being controlled. that's what they call "one-itis". you feel like your little games actually have any type of impact because YOU care. this is so lame! i enjoy telling girls that seem not too into me, that I'M the one that's not interested and that they are kind of boring to me. followed by a "sorry". lame too, but it makes me feel better about myself! HB's are touched by that sort of response because they are much too used to guys chasing. if she does not respond to my messages or tries gaming me, i tell her straight up. it also re-sparks something in about 20% of the cases if done correctly. How old are you? don't piss me off, loser.