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Author:  4nik8r [ Mon May 14, 2012 3:24 pm ]
Post subject:  How to game the "power bitch" — aka, attorney, doctor etc...
I am wondering what ideas folks have for gaming up what I like to call — the "Power Bitch."

Basically, the well-off career driven power hungry girls — such as attorneys, cut-throat business women, doctors, etc. Basically, a girl who WORKS for all the money she has, and isn't looking for a sugar daddy, drives a Mercedes, has tons of money to spend and do whatever she wants, etc.

I do not find myself to be very compatible with this type of woman, but I have dated and laid a few girls over the years who would otherwise be "out of my league" — including a woman who was married to a surgeon for a long time (but then divorced).

While I am not very interested in these kinds of women, they tend to be bitches in terms of a long term thing. I do assume that most girls of that caliber are looking for a man who is more well off than they are themselves, which is why I see so many SINGLE ones all the time (no rings). I guess it is hard to find a guy who makes MORE than you when you are the VP of some company making close to $200K/yr.

I have a career, but would be considered nothing much above a "lawn boy" to some of these girls. I am just wondering what ideas people have for gaming these kinds of women and if they are more / less receptive to it.

I assume they don't date very much, which would leave that loneliness factor as a nice "inroad" — but at the same time they all seem to have MAJOR bitch shields. I've been chatting up one attorney I know here and there, my only goal is to make her laugh. All my friends find it amusing because the woman is STONE COLD!

The bitch shield goes up the second they step out of the fire engine red $200,000 Mercedes LMFAO…

Just curious about what kinds of tactics work on these girls.
Author:  Fatale [ Mon May 14, 2012 4:32 pm ]
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These are the women I am very compatible with... First of all, drop the "power bitch" term, these women tolerate no BS.

You need to be confident enough, but not arrogant and not try any of your stripper routines.

Be polite and gentlemanly, that works far better than attemting to neg a powerful woman. When a woman has to have fought into that kind of positition, many of them appreciate being treated like a lady rather than having yet another man that they have to put into their place. Respect them for their career. They appreciate that. Pull the gentle side out of them.

Looking for a one night thing? So are many of them. If you convince them to be enough pleasure for a night you're through.
Author:  Captain Catch [ Mon May 14, 2012 4:49 pm ]
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These are the women I am very compatible with... First of all, drop the "power bitch" term, these women tolerate no BS.

You need to be confident enough, but not arrogant and not try any of your stripper routines.

Be polite and gentlemanly, that works far better than attemting to neg a powerful woman. When a woman has to have fought into that kind of positition, many of them appreciate being treated like a lady rather than having yet another man that they have to put into their place. Respect them for their career. They appreciate that. Pull the gentle side out of them.

Looking for a one night thing? So are many of them. If you convince them to be enough pleasure for a night you're through.
oh cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, what kind of shit advice is that.

Female Doctors rarely date men who are not professionals themselves.

Everything a guy does to demonstrate higher value is nullified by her being a high valued member of society herself.

Your not likely to meet a doctor at a club either, you are more likely to bump into them in libraries or book stores.

I met a doctor who was just ready to take her boards, Got her, but it's rare.
Author:  Fatale [ Mon May 14, 2012 4:54 pm ]
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These are the women I am very compatible with... First of all, drop the "power bitch" term, these women tolerate no BS.

You need to be confident enough, but not arrogant and not try any of your stripper routines.

Be polite and gentlemanly, that works far better than attemting to neg a powerful woman. When a woman has to have fought into that kind of positition, many of them appreciate being treated like a lady rather than having yet another man that they have to put into their place. Respect them for their career. They appreciate that. Pull the gentle side out of them.

Looking for a one night thing? So are many of them. If you convince them to be enough pleasure for a night you're through.
oh cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, what kind of shit advice is that.

Female Doctors rarely date men who are not professionals themselves.

Everything a guy does to demonstrate higher value is nullified by her being a high valued member of society herself.

Your not likely to meet a doctor at a club either, you are more likely to bump into them in libraries or book stores.

I met a doctor who was just ready to take her boards, Got her, but it's rare.
Learn from the Master, then 8)

My yesterday's sex partner was a tall blonde CEO with millionaire income.
Author:  Captain Catch [ Mon May 14, 2012 4:56 pm ]
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These are the women I am very compatible with... First of all, drop the "power bitch" term, these women tolerate no BS.

You need to be confident enough, but not arrogant and not try any of your stripper routines.

Be polite and gentlemanly, that works far better than attemting to neg a powerful woman. When a woman has to have fought into that kind of positition, many of them appreciate being treated like a lady rather than having yet another man that they have to put into their place. Respect them for their career. They appreciate that. Pull the gentle side out of them.

Looking for a one night thing? So are many of them. If you convince them to be enough pleasure for a night you're through.
oh cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, what kind of shit advice is that.

Female Doctors rarely date men who are not professionals themselves.

Everything a guy does to demonstrate higher value is nullified by her being a high valued member of society herself.

Your not likely to meet a doctor at a club either, you are more likely to bump into them in libraries or book stores.

I met a doctor who was just ready to take her boards, Got her, but it's rare.
Learn from the Master, then 8)

My yesterday's sex partner was a tall blonde CEO with millionaire income.
And she liked you so much, that you have time to come here.

Doctors are different than CEO's, they are expected to have similiar partners.

Imagine a doctor saying, my husband is a cable tv installer?
Author:  detox75 [ Mon May 14, 2012 5:00 pm ]
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actually Fatale is correct. A career orientated woman is going to know what she wants so is likely to play less games and will want a guy who is more confident and self assured then a regular chick. When dealing with very confident/competent woman a great strategy is to go right over the top, so instead of backing down like most men you show your completely comfortable with them. Also professional high power woman very often date and fuck blue collar workers all the time, mainly the alpha type. Now when they settle down they usually do it with other professionals due to intellectual comparability, but this forum isn't really about finding the love of your life.

Also Captain you have social value somewhat twisted. Men choose woman on SR value woman choose men on Social value, so a woman being a doctor/lawyers has less value among most men then a hot model, and the professional woman know this.

As a final note its bad form to completely contradict another member of the forum by name unless they clearly dont know wtf they are talking about (these guys usually dont last long around here). I have no reason to believe Fatale isn't being truthful based on his experience.
Author:  Captain Catch [ Mon May 14, 2012 5:05 pm ]
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actually Fatale is correct. A career orientated woman is going to know what she wants so is likely to play less games and will want a guy who is more confident and self assured then a regular chick. When dealing with very confident/competent woman a great strategy is to go right over the top, so instead of backing down like most men you show your completely comfortable with them. Also professional high power woman very often date and fuck blue collar workers all the time, mainly the alpha type. Now when they settle down they usually do it with other professionals due to intellectual comparability, but this forum isn't really about finding the love of your life.

Also Captain you have social value somewhat twisted. Men choose woman on SR value woman choose men on Social value, so a woman being a doctor/lawyers has less value among most men then a hot model, and the professional woman know this.

As a final note its bad form to completely contradict another member of the forum by name unless they clearly dont know wtf they are talking about (these guys usually dont last long around here). I have no reason to believe Fatale isn't being truthful based on his experience.
Have you seen many female doctors who werent married to another doctor?

Dont forget people liking what is like them. I dont think many female doctors are married to plumbers.

But im sure it has happened, particuarly if the femal e doctor is ugly.
Author:  Fatale [ Mon May 14, 2012 5:08 pm ]
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oh cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, what kind of shit advice is that.

Female Doctors rarely date men who are not professionals themselves.

Everything a guy does to demonstrate higher value is nullified by her being a high valued member of society herself.

Your not likely to meet a doctor at a club either, you are more likely to bump into them in libraries or book stores.

I met a doctor who was just ready to take her boards, Got her, but it's rare.
Learn from the Master, then 8)

My yesterday's sex partner was a tall blonde CEO with millionaire income.
And she liked you so much, that you have time to come here.

Doctors are different than CEO's, they are expected to have similiar partners.

Imagine a doctor saying, my husband is a cable tv installer?
Some of my partners have been doctors, too. It's a different field as any, but they all have intelligent and powerful women.

I actually think it's a greater barrier for more men than women in any field when a woman has significantly higher income. Women in that position tend not to appreciate a free rider, but rather marry a decent man than a very wealthy man.

We're still happily in touch, that is none of your concern 8)
Author:  Captain Catch [ Mon May 14, 2012 5:09 pm ]
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Learn from the Master, then 8)

My yesterday's sex partner was a tall blonde CEO with millionaire income.
And she liked you so much, that you have time to come here.

Doctors are different than CEO's, they are expected to have similiar partners.

Imagine a doctor saying, my husband is a cable tv installer?
Some of my partners have been doctors, too. It's a different field as any, but they all have intelligent and powerful women.

I actually think it's a greater barrier for more men than women in any field when a woman has significantly higher income. Women in that position tend not to appreciate a free rider, but rather marry a decent man than a very wealthy man.

We're still happily in touch, that is none of your concern 8)
If its none of my concern why did you tell me?
Author:  detox75 [ Mon May 14, 2012 5:12 pm ]
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Have you seen many female doctors who werent married to another doctor?

Dont forget people liking what is like them. I dont think many female doctors are married to plumbers.

But im sure it has happened, particuarly if the femal e doctor is ugly.
Take the time to read peoples posts before you flame, the last sentence of my first paragraph addresses this exact point.
Author:  Captain Catch [ Mon May 14, 2012 5:14 pm ]
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Have you seen many female doctors who werent married to another doctor?

Dont forget people liking what is like them. I dont think many female doctors are married to plumbers.

But im sure it has happened, particuarly if the femal e doctor is ugly.
Take the time to read peoples posts before you flame, the last sentence of my first paragraph addresses this exact point.
I did read id, if what u said were trued female doctors would be dating burger king workers.
Author:  Vitamin-J [ Mon May 14, 2012 7:03 pm ]
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In most cases it comes down to how you present yourself and how you handle yourself, I dated a surgeon for a little while and it's not at all that doctors are "higher levels of society" it's that they are highly educated individuals and in many cases they have a hard time relating to people on a different intellectual playing field than others.

not to say that there isn't some social stigma that that goes along with any profession but that's more so because people that work at burger king tend to be skilless, brainless worker bee's.

when your gaming a doctor (or the like) try and keep control of the conversation and direct it to things you'll be able to speak eloquently about, in many cases doctors know everything there is to know about their profession but little about other topics. controlling the conversation in a fluid manner will allow you to hold your frame, from there...kino kino kino


good luck
Author:  4nik8r [ Mon May 14, 2012 7:20 pm ]
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Wow, this one blew up a little bit!

I think everyone has good points. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that women are typically attracted to men that can elevate their social status. That is just historical, and goes back to the beginning of man.

Therefore the rocket scientist will have an easier time banging or keeping a doctor interested than a Burger King manager!

However, there are always exceptions to the rule. In my own experience, I stay away from women in certain professions, because they all seem to be of the same personality and I clash with them.

Women lawyers or corporate executives seem to have much bigger bitch shields than doctors. Maybe it is because doctors are trained to help people, where you pretty much NEED to be a cut throat bitch to be a lawyer or corporate executive.

In my personal experiences, AND from those of others I have known over the years, it is not anywhere NEAR impossible for a guy of "lowly status" (I do not consider myself low, or having a shitty career, but I know I don't make as much as a CEO, or Doctor and won't be at that level without 100% devotion to my work). At that point I won't have TIME for a woman in my life.

Anyway, I have real life examples of women doctors marrying guys who make 1/4 of what they make, and one of my best friend's wife was a waitress when they met, and now makes 4x more than him at over 100k/yr — however in his case he has lost 100% of his decision making authority in the relationship. He has lost all his friends and can't go to the bathroom without raising his hand and asking permission from her.

What triggered this question was that as a professional I meet a lot of "power bitches" — and I will continue to use the term when I am NOT talking to THEM lmfao — unless I am VERY comfortable with one and I am doing it as a playful joke. The woman I used to date who was married to a surgeon prior to dating me was someone like that – someone I could joke with all the time and she thought it was hysterical.

In fact, NOT letting a woman like that intimidate you is probably the best thing you can do to gain attraction there.

Another interesting development is I am chatting long distance with a girl who is about to take her boards and become a doctor of some sort. I would actually say that out of all the girls I am working on getting to know at the moment she is by far the most interesting to me.

She is the world traveler, free spirit, never spends too much time in one place type. We have very similar interests, and the more I talk to her am finding out we have a pretty equally fucked up sense of humor, and I feel very comfortable talking with her etc. She went away for the summer to study for her boards (must be nice to just pack up and move across the country to "study") LMFAO.

Anyway, as far as weekends are concerned, if we were dating there would be no problem finding enjoyable things to do together. Our description of an ideal weekend are pretty much identical. She is what I am calling my "fantasy girl" right now because she matches the "girl of my dreams" description I've had since my teens.

I am not too stupid to realize that I could end up not liking her after getting to know her better though.

She seems real down to earth for a "power bitch" — but in my opinion, my financial life is a clusterfuck compared to someone who makes a ton of money and has no obligations like children etc. I can see that being a clash at some point should that ever develop into something.

It is not something I am investing a lot of time / energy into simply because of the distance thing (she is coming back to the area when she takes her boards and possibly staying to work). She has also indirectly indicated that she doesn't really want to settle anywhere until she has a "good reason" to settle in an area (eluding to the fact if she met a guy who keeps her interest, she would be inclined to pursue that).

I am just enjoying the conversation with her, and since time goes by very fast in my world, it won't be long before she is back in the area and we can meet up and see what happens. The only reason I even started talking to her is because her profile said she was living HERE, and she hadn't changed it before she went away for the summer.

So the point I am making is that some women are total bitches regardless of their social status in terms of a career / money, and SOME girls who are "power bitches" really aren't bitches at all — but of course, a Doctor is going to have a hard time developing rapport with a guy who cleans toilets for a living. I personally cannot really stand to be with a dumb girl. If she is hot I can take her to the bedroom, but eventually I'd like to have an intelligent conversation with her!!!

I think some women who are financially secure and have a career really don't care about their man other than how he treats HER, and whether he makes her feel excited, and can carry on a conversation that doesn't BORE her to death.

I am just curious about other people's opinions on the subject because power bitches need to get laid just as much as everyone else does!
Author:  RetiredRodeo [ Mon May 14, 2012 7:27 pm ]
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I dated my father's cancer doctor. I met her when we found out my father HAD cancer. I never ran game on her at all until SHE showed the IOIs. I ran game on her while my dad was still in recovery from surgery that SHE performed.

She saw me in the hallway in his room when she first came to the floor to do rounds... She smiled, I truned my head and attended to my dad. After 10 minutes (I was already leaving soon), I told dad goodbye and I left. On the way out, my brother (married 20 years) asked what I was doing - that she was going to see dad soon... I told him yep, that was the plan - for her to understand I didn't give a fuck if I saw her or not. Boom... she immediately asked about me while she was in there...

She has responded to every game scenario I've done. She forces me to think - which I fucking dig, and she's hot, so - it was FUN sarging her.

She's 38, HB9 I shit you not (and I'm damned picky in my ratings, never giving a ten except on RARE occasion).

She was like any other HB9, except she had a sense of entitlement that needed to be dealt with.

Game them like any other - BUT if your game is shit - your reults will be shit as well. You have to be seamless, and you hade better know advanced game if you're going to run any game at all.


RR
Author:  4nik8r [ Mon May 14, 2012 7:47 pm ]
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If I was dying of cancer and my son pulled off a great heist like yours, I would be giving my son major high-fives there.

I am reminded now of another semi "power-bitch" who I met back in the day. She was in grad school but had enough money from her family or whatever to be living in an ultra posh luxury high-rise apartment building with a tight view etc.

Now, when I met her, this is going back to when my game was SUPER weak. In fact, this girl and her friendship gave me a TON of useful advice for picking up women in the future.

I had never heard of the "PUA" sciences at this time, and was just your average AFC who couldn't figure out why women seemed to be attracted to "assholes" vs. "nice guys" and all the other things that AFCs wonder about all the time.

This girl was an HB9 for sure, WAY off the charts. She had the nicest set of titties I've ever seen, felt with my own hands, or had in my mouth to this day, that's for sure. And she had a killer body to go with them.

But I will never forget how things escalated with her. I was a bit intimidated by her at first, mainly because I knew she was dripping with money and had the "she is way out of your league" mentality.

She could see this when we went out on our "first date."

In fact, she flat out told me halfway through our date that she doesn't see me as anything more than a friend because I lack the confidence she likes to see in men she is attracted to.

I really don't know how it happened, but I convinced her to come back to my "studio" to check out some of my artwork, and while we were sitting down in my studio, I grabbed her out of nowhere and started kissing her.

Then, don't ask me why (women have done this to me a LOT — having to move the scene from MY place to HER place) — but we ended up going back to HER place, and before I knew it, my first date with her ended up lasting 3 days. I got home sometime Sunday afternoon to my roomate saying "Well, SHIT, THAT must have went well!!!!"

So, I do know that rich girls (some of them) don't give a shit about things like money etc. They just want to find happiness like everyone else.

This HB9 gave me the pointers and confidence I needed to win over yet another HB9, I might even go out on a limb and say 10 who I was great friends with for a number of years — and then developed a LDR with, where she ended up moving 1,000 miles to be together.

That one ended quite abruptly, but I learned a ton about myself during that time, and that 9s and 10s were far from being out of my league and that my problems were in my OWN HEAD and not because of anything I was DOING or NOT DOING.
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