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Author:  Harrybob [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:42 am ]
Post subject:  Rich and don't want to be arrogant
Ok, i only write this stuff here, because i know i am pretty anonymous here. :)

Thing is, as stated in another thread, I am 32 and pretty new to pua. So i am more like a total beginner.

But thing is, I have one thing, that is also attractive to girls: Money and Power. I founded an IT-Company 7 years ago, got around 30 employees, and i really cannot complain because the whole company is now worth several million dollars. I don't wanna brag here or something, and really I got no special skill to make that happen, just did the right thing at the right time, anybody could've done it.

But actually the weird thing is, how do i go with it and pua. I really hate bragging about it in any way, and I still only buy standard clothes, nothing expensive etc. I don't even drive an expensive car. Mainly because i was raised pretty poor, and i honestly I don't like most of the other rich poeples, because many of them are pretty arrogant.

Thing is, i want girls, that want me and not my money. Nonetheless, i want to use my status to make it easier for me. And what i absolutely do not want is sounding arrogant (i know i am in this thread ;)) or brag with it. (And the funny thing is, i tried to brag with it one time, just to see what will happen, and the girls where calling me just such a liar ^^).

Actually there are girls that know who i am and are trying to get at me at exhibitions and conferences, but that is really a huge turn off for me, cause I know they are only approaching me, because they know i am the boss of a small company and that feels a little bit like a hooker would approach me, so i push those women away from me.

So the thing i want to know to break it down into one question: How can I use my money to raise my value without sounding like a newly rich idiot and also get the girls attracted by my other values.

Any help is appreciated. (And as you can see, money alone gets you nowhere near to be a good pua ^^).
Author:  CaptainJackHarkness [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:10 am ]
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Hi Bob,

I kind of fall into the same boat you do. Instead of self-made though my family is already rich so I was inherited into it, but I cannot stand the fact that women's evolutionary programming makes them attracted to power, wealth, status, protection provider, etc.

Naturally, if you noticed as well, there are many millionaires in the world. And many of them are pursuing specific girls that definitely don't take a liking to them. As you may or may not know, hot girls have rich guys approaching them all the time..trying to buy her things, fly her places, etc in hopes to win her over. Good thing you aren't like this. Ever seen Million Dollar Matchmaker? It's a good example of how the girls won't just get with a guy cause he's rich and realistically has status.

The real thing is they value someone who can provide and has wealth or can take care of them, but most importantly it's about someone they feel a genuine connection with. If you are one of those guys trying to place the status in a conversation forcefully somehow which is not even relevant...it can come off as bragging and a huge turn off. The #1 thing women never want to be perceived as is a slut / gold-digger as these are terms most other women have labeled (not men). So to many of them, even though there are a lot of girls that will fuck you and try to walk away with half of your assets, there are many that genuinely fear this - not consciously I'm sure it's just in their emotional programming.

Similar to how we see a hot girl and get turned on.
Author:  CaptainJackHarkness [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:19 am ]
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So...to answer your question Harry,

You may want to look into Mystery Method Revelations DVD Set...they actually talk about rich guys in it. The key is to use conversational threads that do not openly brag out that you are showing off.

My recommendation is to use threads (stories, etc) that convey characteristics of an attractive male. A time when you provided for someone, protected a loved one, showed you're a leader (mention a tough company project), things like this. Don't even mention the money or anything. Eventually, if you mention nonrelevant to your riches stories, girls will get attracted unconsciously and ask you "What do you do?"

Then you can go into a story that's not just answering the question...it goes into your motivations, passions, emotions...it welcomes her into your world than going "Oh well..I'm a rich businessman..harharhar" (dbag routine)

Get what I mean? If not, please purchase REVELATIONS dvd set by Mystery.
Author:  silverito [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:42 am ]
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The answer is simple - do not talk about your wealth. You want two things that do not go well together - improve your chances by telling you are rich and you also want that women won't be gold digger etc.
Author:  Harrybob [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:50 am ]
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@CaptainJackHarkness: Thats a real interesting thought, to put it more in stories about the world i live in.

(Well, thing is, we are making Computergames, and that alone is one of the most nerdiest things you can tell a girl ^^.). I realised that only very few women know something about the Game Industry.

But what I already learned is that its not very good just to say: "Oh, i have a small company and we are making computer games." They will think you're some sort of a nerd, and making computer games doesnt sound very sexy and all.

Now i try to come up with something like: "Oh, my job is to basically entertain people. We are building online communities, get people together, and know what: there are even people that married and have children just because of the work we do."

I'ts really interesting how different you could describe just the very same thing, and one time it sounds boring as hell, and the other time people want to know more about it.

Well, i do travel a lot right know, so I will definitely test that stuff soon and let you know how it worked out ^^

(BTW: What I did find out, is that when you're somewhere for business, solo game is much easier, because when women ask you: "Hey, where are your friends?", you can just say: "Hey, remember, i'm here on a business trip" and they won't wonder why you are alone right now.)
Author:  Harrybob [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:01 am ]
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@silverito: Yeah, you propably right about that, but i think, there is maybe some balance, where the girls get, that you are in a good position, but you won't get the gold diggers.

I would never give them my account balance or anything like that ;). But maybe its better to just say, that i work for a company like that than to say, i actually own the company.

BTW a little story I had just on saturday: Its so nice to see, that there are girls that are definitaly no gold-diggers. I talked to a girl, just nice and friendly and got out of the club together. She was just staying in the city for two nights and forgot most of here money in here hotel. She was very uncomfortable with it, but i could tell she was kind of screwed, so I gave her the money for the cab.

Then she just said: "I am so sorry, i am really not that kind of girl. I will give that money back, i promise, just give me your number.".

I gave her my number and just thought, ok, that money is gone, but what the hell. But on the next day she really texted me, she gave me back that money and spend me a coffee and had a nice talk. And she said, that I really saved her the other night.

Thing is, i am always impressed how nice some people are. Its just fun to live in this world and experience all that :) I didnt fuck her or anything we were just being nice and funny, but she gave me a really good feeling, that there are so many nice people out there.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:36 am ]
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We have the same problem. I have inherited several properties from my grand parents and had a glamorous career in my local context. When girls ask me the standard interview questions, and I answer their questions truthfully, I immediately turn them off. They immediately call me a liar and/or a braggart.

Anyway, the solutions that I've found are role playing and propinquity.

Role Playing

Girls ask the same interview questions all of the time when you have shown any direct interest to them. "What's your job?" Where's your car?" "What type of car do you drive?" "What's your ambition in life?"

When you give a direct answer. You're done. You've basically buried yourself six feet under the ground in your sarging.

The solution is to suit up or dress well which leaves no doubt that you have money and then role play with a loser job. It has to be an outrageous lie and very much not congruent with your image.

Some role playing characters I use are:
  • 1. Funeral parlor singer. This enables me to answer all girlie-type interview questions and passing their shit tests. I drive a very slow car with red curtains. I want to put up my own cemetery so I can bury a lot of people there. And so on. You get the shits and the giggles, the focus no longer gives a spotlight on your provider capacity but on your fun personality.

    2. Crocodile farmer. I can say, I'm looking for a new employee who has to fondle the balls of my breeder crocodile because I provide crocodile stud services and so on.

    3. Priest.

    4. Conservative and Decent (but perverted) Catholic Gentleman.
Propinquity

One propinquity technique that you can use is to regularly go to the places of your target girls in their social context. If they eat at El Cheapo restaurant. Eat there and ask them to eat out there.

Another technique is to make yourself familiar within the local context. You should go to a place, a mall for instance, at a regular schedule and devote 2 to 3 minutes of your time for every girl that you see. You need to be patient with this. After two to three months, you'll have built enough social proof and propinquity that you can date any girl that you want according to your terms.

Summary
  • 1. When girls ask you about what you do, role play a loser job or personality. However, show (not tell) that you have above average wealth.

    2. Make yourself familiar in a place where the girls are decent, educated and have good family backgrounds. Eat, talk and live the way they eat, talk and live.
Of course, you may have more money than I do but in my local context, I'm the king. :twisted:
Author:  titanman [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:22 pm ]
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Easy!

You buy me some nice stuff. :)
Author:  RetiredRodeo [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:29 pm ]
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Great advice Hellhound.

My background throws in retired professional bullriding - BIG "You're full of shit" comments. I dont' lead with it.

I prefer to cold read them, analyze them, teach them human dynamic principles etc... then when I amaze them and they ask what I do - I always say "I'm a people whisperer"... or I tell them I'm in legal human trafficiking... (I'm a recruiter now, but that offers levity and a segue into my career path...

When I throw in Russian Interrogator from my early military days... LOL they don't know what to think other than "This guy lives a wild and exciting life!"

Then game on.
Author:  Harrybob [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:22 pm ]
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Thank you very much for your adive, sounds pretty interesting, i got to try that out.

One pretty easy thing of showing that you have a certain standard without telling about it, is wearing at least a 900 dollar watch (like a Tissot or something, don't go with a rolex, thats overdoing it ^^). I noticed that in in two cases last week girls wanted to know the time from me, while talking to me, and they took a pretty close look at my watch.

Anyway I have to say a big thank you to this forum, I am so new to this, and i have the feeling i learnt so much just in the last two weeks from this forum and from going out.

(But I think my big advantage was, that i have absolutely no problem talking to people and I have no big AA. I think thats more or less because of my job where I do a lot of travelling and getting to know all kinds of people.)

And as I said in another thread, i already managed one kiss-close in those two weeks. For me thats pretty good :) (and it was especially good for me, because the girl kissed me when i only try to say something in her ear, and not the other way around..... strong IOI i would say ^^ Too bad I was on a plane the next day...).
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:16 pm ]
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Try Pussy Cat Yoga Instructor. You teach cats tantric breathing and the kama sutra so they lead happier and more fulfilling nine lives. Here are some answers, openers and isolation routines (with lots of sexual innuendo) to this role play character.
  • 1. You're going to China to teach four Siamese cats the mastery of Ayurvedic sex. It's a sexual technique that borrows principles from the doggie style but the humping technique is much more complex and profound. The cats' owners paid you an advance of $10, they pay really well, and at the end of the contract you're going to collect the balance of $5. Ask the girl if she wanted some jade figurines because you might buy her one just in case the cat owners give you a bonus after you've made their cats multi-orgasmic and happy.

    2. You invite the girl to your place to show her your pet cat whom you named Fifi... or whatever. Say, it's just an ordinary house cat but is a badass with some yoga stuff. You've taught your cat some yoga techniques like Baghavad Gita pancake cooking and Indian bukkake prayer humming with the neighbors' cats. If the girl says she knows what a bukkake is, ask her what about it. When she says the right description say, "Yuck. That's so perverted and indecent. I have a decent, regular job and I'm proud of it. In my line of work, bukkake prayer humming is simply the traditional and conservative Hindu custom of spurting massive loads of semen on the faces of sacred cows. My friend, an Indian cowboy taught me about it. So, my dear, what made you think up of those gross and perverted thoughts, hmm?"

    3. You drive the company car which you use to serve your clients. It's a run-of-the-mill car (don't say it's a BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche or whatever let the girls see it) that your client cats like. Some cats like to sleep on the hood while some like to hide in the trunk and so on.

    4. You have troubleshooted a labor unrest in Malaysia with corporate employees. Your Malaysian client pays his employees one banana per day for taking down coconuts from palm trees to be made into oil for making soap. These laborers are spider monkeys whom you have trained tantric breathing the same way that you do with your cat clients. The monkeys are demanding overtime pay but your client does not want to pay an extra banana so the monkeys formed a labor union and staged a collective bargaining strike.
Think up of other answers and situations where you can infuse your own day-to-day work habits and activities and repackage them into your role play character. The girls will pester you endlessly about the nature of your real job. Keep them guessing and laughing. It sounds crazy as hell but show them (not tell) that you're one very smart guy who makes loads of money but pretends to be earning way much less than the average Joe. :twisted:
Author:  Harrybob [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:00 pm ]
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Hey, another thing that is going well for me during game day is the following routine if you are in a non-english speaking country:

Just ask a nice girl/girls in english

"Do you know where i have to go to get to blabla (starbucks oder something)".

When they answer you in english, tell them:

"Oh, you're english is actually pretty good, not like the other people here around. Are you from america?"

From there on its fairly easy to get into a conversation.

(And i have to add, I am not a native english speaker myself.)
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