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| Author: | charleshogman [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | question about what to say after opener |
i like situational openers for bar/club game, such as asking the girl what the drink is that shes holding, or conversely why she doesn't have a drink, "no drink?!?". or otherwise i might just say "hey how are you girls doing?". Pretty simple openers that seem to work. My question though is where should i go after their response, which is either "oh its vodka tonic" or "i already had a lot to drink" or "i'm good how are you doing?". Where should i transition too from there, and what are some good lines to use? I want to have at least some general idea of things i could say. Cant just jump straight to a neg right? and being an interviewer isnt better either: "so where are you from " "what do you do". Any advice would be great! |
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| Author: | RetiredRodeo [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:48 pm ] |
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Those aren't openers... They're traditional comments a million other men use - you just happen to have luck (which is a good thing), but don't kid yourself. Follow the steps... Watch the set. gain their vibe. Identify your target and approach. Meet the entire set. Drop a false-time constraint so they won't think you're going to be there all night, then drop the opener and see where it goes. I prefer to use cold-reading skills immediately after the opener, after which I'll make up names for each of them as I introduce myself. I'll keep the entire group smiling, and I'll neg my target. If you're having success with the same lines every other AFC uses, you're already ahead of the curve - hone your skills and you'll be lethal. |
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| Author: | charleshogman [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:53 pm ] |
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ok cool. so you think it's worth using actual openers with a false time constraint rather than these common lines? what are some openers you recommend? opinion openers? |
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| Author: | RetiredRodeo [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:03 pm ] |
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Quote: ok cool. so you think it's worth using actual openers with a false time constraint rather than these common lines? what are some openers you recommend? opinion openers?
Depends on the vibe. Hard to say with no specific dynamic to imagine. That's a very broad question...Love/In love Tatoo'd niece Names for dogs Or you can use the "I like your style" and go into a cold read. Or find a tool on her person to comment on. And I'll use the opener before the FTC on occasion - every situation is different. But, I'll always drop the FTC. And if I'm just going to number close, and the chick is about to leave (you ge tthat vibe), then I leave right then. I always leave the impression that I am in control, though sarcastic, funny, and intriguing. I build the picture of what they want based upon the information I assess at the spur of the moment. If I can't see myself building that picture - I end the set. |
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| Author: | charleshogman [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:17 pm ] |
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ok thanks man, great advice. also, if you're alone how do you like to handle sets of more than 1 girl? joke around and engage all of them? target one? |
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| Author: | keith666555 [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:50 pm ] |
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ask her if she's a vodka drinker and say yuuuck don't you think so and so is better. Then start to just carry a conversation. I think about as having loose subjects if the car gets talked about then so should the roads if the roads should be talked about so should the cops. If the cops get talked about then ask what the craziest thing she ever did was I just let the conversation flow naturally like I would a friend. Next time you and a friend talk pay ttenetion to how many subjects nd diff threads of conversation you have. Plenty of places to neg plenty of places she has to qualify herself. Once you start getting iois then you can begin compliance tests. Fool proof and easy |
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| Author: | RetiredRodeo [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:49 am ] |
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Quote: ok thanks man, great advice. also, if you're alone how do you like to handle sets of more than 1 girl? joke around and engage all of them? target one?
Always engage the whole group.For me, the more chicks in teh group, the hoter the women - the greater the challenge, the greater my adrenaline goes... Always engage the group. Then - you LEAD the group.... then you pick from the group. I always single out the one I'm targeting by playful picking, I rely on my wit to feed off what they give me. Read the group - if two of them are best friends - 'test' it and watch the huge DHV you earn. Once you befriend them in this manner, you can jokingly say "She's stealing me a way for just a minute..." and you have a much better probability of the group allowing you to snare one of its own. |
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| Author: | charleshogman [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:11 am ] |
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is there a list of IOI's and compliance tests? i'm brand new to structured game |
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