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Author:	John Spartan [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Last chance saloon - Advice needed please read!
Ok, so basically I've had a crush on a girl in class all year (HB9), but for the most part I was in a relationship so never conveyed much interest. Since we broke up Ive been gaming rather successfully in general and getting way more women. Everything was going great until...... On a drunken night out I saw the HB9 out. It started out great. I was direct and uber confident, and began dancing and making out passionately. I was shocked, out of nowhere this girl who is generally shy and quiet was mine! Within less than an hour we took a ride home to campus and I offered her in for a tea. She said yes...... We built up some massive comfort and rapport at this point (I must mention at this point I am really drunk, but very composed as always). I'm quite open and honest that I've had a crush on her in class, which she likes (In hindsight a little needy). Conversation moves into my room and as its getting late she happily agrees to stopping the night. Clothes come off.... I escalate and go into caveman mode. However.... BIG however, I get whiskey dick. Shit. This has happened before to me, but never with such a hot girl. I couldn't believe it. I was noticeably embarrassed by it, and she realizes it. I then gave her two orgasms orally. The whole experience is incredibly intimate. She loved it. I felt like a bit of a pussy though.... Just over a week has passed and we've texted sporadically. Nothing amazing and quite cold on her part. I'm gutted because now I seem needy AND I missed my opportunity to fuck her. Fortunately she has agreed to meet for a coffee date tomorrow........ Any advice? I know its a long shot but I have to try!!! Thanks guys.

Author:	safety [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:09 am ]
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She agreed to meet you so it's obviously not over, whiskey dick is something most girls know about so just don't bring it up. Game her as if it never happened, a few times I have made embarrassing mistakes and I find it's better not to bring her back to the situation. It's done. You are doing good just keep momentum

Author:	John Spartan [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:37 pm ]
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Thanks, my date is in less than one hour. I aim to keep it short around 1.5 hours, gentle stroll then for a coffee. Im really short on time so this is the only option. In terms of game Im aim too: -Assume attraction remains high -Act slightly aloof and cocky- non-needy -Show a genuine sober side of myself by building comfort and rapport -DHVs to spike her attraction and turn the tables- Make myself the prize. -Kiss close. Wish me luck, hopefully all going well I will report back. If not....fuck it!! Spartan

Author:	Sonicvega [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:42 pm ]
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Sounds like you have a solid plan . You will be fine.

Author:	doclift [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:22 pm ]
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It's not a problem unless you allow it to be. You set your own reality in this situation. Carry forward as if nothing is wrong and be the fun guy you were when you first connected with her. Problems arise (or in this case don't lol), it happens. You've got this man. Let us know how it went when you get done.

Author:	John Spartan [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:55 pm ]
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Ok so the date went fairly well. I delayed my original time to meet up to prove I have a busy life. She was on exactly on time. We went for a casual stroll in the cool sun before going for a coffee. She was actually very open and chatty, and the conversation flowed for the whole two hours and was never awkward. Whilst being gentlemanly I did tease her a little and talked confidently when DHVing..... (* A couple of points I should have made earlier. Firstly, she was raped a few years ago. Major red flag I know. She went to an all girls school too. She has a very volatile ex who still contacts her......Yeah not good really. How she views men in her life must be really fucked up. I guess I fell for the damsel in distress!!) I walked her home and then came the awkward moment. Little kino had been built before this point and I knew it would be a rather cliche end to the date. However after reading numerous posts on this forum I knew I had to kiss her, or at least try. Otherwise it would definitely move into the LJBF.... And it was awkward. She gave a bad hug and her body language was in no way looking for a kiss. I gave her the eyes and brought her close but it was never going to happen. A kiss on the cheek was the best I could do. She then scurried off in a very weird way....Oh dear. So, there are two main conclusions I take from this, and dont worry my interest in her has drastically reduced as a result. 1) She is simply not interested 2) She has an issue with public affection/ nerves/ or didnt want to be seen kissing (ex issue). I have shown my interest to get to know her in a genuine way, and now it is up to her now to reciprocate because Im going to take the cold route and back off. Either way Im going gaming tomorrow night!! Thanks for your interest guys, please feel free to give advise. Put me out of my misery if you want. Spartan.

Author:	John Spartan [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:13 pm ]
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......a further interesting point that Im mulling over. When we met up I realized she wasn't wearing a big coat. I asked her is she was going to get cold and she replied.... 'I didnt wear it. I thought we were just going to your place'. Weird. Maybe Im thinking way too much.

Author:	doclift [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:16 pm ]
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I always advise guys to not wait until the end of a day 2 before kissing her. It forces way too much stress on yourself and on her. I'd like to offer you two points of interest concerning what just happened. First I'll say this, remember that you can always take steps back in kino escalation without permission. If you've already held her hand, then it is perfectly acceptable to do so again. If you've already kissed her, then the same follows. Remember that the game is linear, you've already passed that objective. She already agreed to have sex with you, kissing her should have happened either immediately upon greeting her or very soon thereafter. Secondly I'll say this: kissing at the end of the date is the expected. Remember that as pua's, we are always the exception. The kiss didn't happen because you didn't believe that it could. Confidence is 80% of the game. You likely felt fear and apprehension. When it comes to kissing a girl, if you get stuck, remember the fundamentals. Keep strong eye contact, smile, good body language and then the rest will fall into place. Sadly, the whole rape thing is something I've heard far more times then I want to believe is possible. I've heard some version of a rape/abuse story from a number of beautiful women who have been in my life. The longer you're in the game, the more prevalent you'll realize it is. Listen carefully and try to understand her emotions of it. Every girl handles it differently and they usually just want somebody to listen. It's likely that if you two discussed this on your day two, that the conversation put her in a detached mindset, thus thwarting your kiss. The fact that she had intentions of going straight to your place leads me to believe that something was said during your discussions that changed her mind. We are our own worst enemies sometimes. Both of your listed conclusions put the girl to blame for your unexpected interaction. Identify yourself placing the blame on others and halt it. The only way you get better at the game, is if you learn to take responsibility for your own actions. This a characteristic of a confident man. You were in control, you let the interaction go awry, and you can fix it. Think about what you could have done differently that would have produced a more positive result for the two of you. Tweak your game to guarantee that it doesn't happen again. By no means, do I think your set is blown. Some solid phone game to bridge the gap between now and the next time you see her should pull it all together. Remember to enjoy your failures just as much, if not more than, your successes. I promise that you'll remember to escalate kino upfront on a day two for the rest of your life lol.

Author:	John Spartan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Fantastic Outcome, but a few lessons learned.
Firstly after playing it quiet and cold with her she actually began initiating texts and giving subtle hints about seeing each other again. I decided to maintain a stronge frame and somewhat ignore her tests..... A couple of days later Im in a club and she's texting me again, and wants to see me.....Before anything happened she wanted to talk. Seemed serious. Long story short my new PUA (ish) lifestyle has elevated myself in terms of social proof and alphaness on campus. Basically, people know Ive played around a bit, with some wrongly assuming Im a total dick. Thus her friends have been disuading her, advising her to stay away from me as I would undoubtely hurt her. She explained this was why she was hot/cold with me, and refused to kiss on our date!!! After great discussion and showing massive vulnerability and honesty on my part I won her around. Im sure she loves all the drama, but I guess my acquired skills in the game almost cost me this one..... And yes....we then had sex. It was incredible. She is only 5ft and has a totally cute dancers body!! Im quite happy to say she may in time become my girlfriend. Thanks again for the input guys. I thought I would share a story of how it is possible to pull it back after making mistakes. But dont give up, persistance is one of her many tests!

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