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Author:  titanman [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Guys showing you up, not AMOGs
So one thing that I experience almost daily is male to male banter. Showing your friend up can be a funny thing.

Problem being if they banter with you, and you can't reply with a better put down you lose value IMO, especially in front of a girl.

What are the best ways to deal with it? It's not AMOGing because they guys are my friends and I love our banter but sometimes I can't come back.

Is it a good idea to have a same response to a girls shit test? By that I mean agree with it. For example if a guy was bantering me about a crap grade in a test, go along with it saying 'yeahhhhh I'm so retarded' or pretend cry? Would that keep me from losing value in front of a chick?

I find plain ignoring banter does not work. I've seen my friends ignore banter from others and it makes them look like it they were affected, it makes sense as banter is typically going back and forth.

Opinions?
Author:  Reo [ Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:54 pm ]
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If these so called friends are trying to show you up in front of girls. That's called cock blocking don't try to lighten it because they're your friends. I knew a guy like that who would do immature shit and want to crack jokes to make me look bad all the time. So I stopped hanging around him.

For you I wouldn't bring them along if im trying to talk to a girl. Go work the other side of the club by yourself. Keep hanging around them you'll never get any girls.
Author:  Maikuljay [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:21 am ]
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If these so called friends are trying to show you up in front of girls. That's called cock blocking don't try to lighten it because they're your friends. I knew a guy like that who would do immature shit and want to crack jokes to make me look bad all the time. So I stopped hanging around him.

For you I wouldn't bring them along if im trying to talk to a girl. Go work the other side of the club by yourself. Keep hanging around them you'll never get any girls.
100% agree, a lot of my friends who have zero skills see putting you down as there ticket in.

or at least ruining my chances is better than me getting the girl, and them not. Needless to say in my prime time I was gaming away from them.
Author:  Midrange [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:36 am ]
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If you can't come up with a comeback.. something simple like "oh yeah, well you're stupid!" always does the trick. Terrible comebacks are always funny and you can always revert to the same one. If you ignore their insult, it just shows that it hurt you. You don't have to one up him, but don't show that it affected you.
Author:  Hakuna [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:26 am ]
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Can't say I agree with making lame comebacks, it would just make you look corny and incapable of making a good joke. And I would find it difficult to see a guy like that as a "dominant Alpha Male"

I suggest you agree & amplify; treat your friends like they were your concubines, or like girls who were shit testing you. So...

Friend: "You did so bad on that test, you're retarded"
You: "Yah...remind me to get checked for autism"

The way you deliver is important. It must be in a cool, collected, and sarcastic voice. Not eager or in an approval-seeking manner. Wait 2 seconds before responding and let the words ebb smoothly from your mouth like a waterfall of suaveness.

The reason why I prefer this over anything else; it's EASY to pull off and it DOES NOT escalate the conflict where it comes to the point where you seem defensive or passively aggressive. Remember if you're TRYING to insult your friend then you've shown that he hurt your ego, which is the same as breaking you. Be short about it, brevity is the soul of wit.
Author:  student1 [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:13 am ]
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Can't say I agree with making lame comebacks, it would just make you look corny and incapable of making a good joke. And I would find it difficult to see a guy like that as a "dominant Alpha Male"

I suggest you agree & amplify; treat your friends like they were your concubines, or like girls who were shit testing you. So...

Friend: "You did so bad on that test, you're retarded"
You: "Yah...remind me to get checked for autism"

The way you deliver is important. It must be in a cool, collected, and sarcastic voice. Not eager or in an approval-seeking manner. Wait 2 seconds before responding and let the words ebb smoothly from your mouth like a waterfall of suaveness.

The reason why I prefer this over anything else; it's EASY to pull off and it DOES NOT escalate the conflict where it comes to the point where you seem defensive or passively aggressive. Remember if you're TRYING to insult your friend then you've shown that he hurt your ego, which is the same as breaking you. Be short about it, brevity is the soul of wit.
I really like your reply out of everyone. Do you have any suggestions for practice?

I've always wondered about resources that can teach you good communication combat skills.
Author:  Midrange [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:38 pm ]
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Something you gotta watch out for is being 'too cool for school'. You don't have to be the coolest kid ever. You don't always have to best your friends. That's not what alpha truly means. If you always have this mentality, people will start to think you're a douche and stop liking you. You have to make your friends feel good about themselves. Bring them up to your level, not push them down. That's why I don't see the need in worrying about how good your comebacks are.

Though what Hakuna said.. that's a good comeback. But you're not always going to have a comeback for everything. So who cares, don't worry about it.
Author:  titanman [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:44 pm ]
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Can't say I agree with making lame comebacks, it would just make you look corny and incapable of making a good joke. And I would find it difficult to see a guy like that as a "dominant Alpha Male"

I suggest you agree & amplify; treat your friends like they were your concubines, or like girls who were shit testing you. So...

Friend: "You did so bad on that test, you're retarded"
You: "Yah...remind me to get checked for autism"

The way you deliver is important. It must be in a cool, collected, and sarcastic voice. Not eager or in an approval-seeking manner. Wait 2 seconds before responding and let the words ebb smoothly from your mouth like a waterfall of suaveness.

The reason why I prefer this over anything else; it's EASY to pull off and it DOES NOT escalate the conflict where it comes to the point where you seem defensive or passively aggressive. Remember if you're TRYING to insult your friend then you've shown that he hurt your ego, which is the same as breaking you. Be short about it, brevity is the soul of wit.
Thanks that a good explanation. If I understand you fully, I guess you have to be careful with the line of not acting like it hurt your ego and self depreciating humour.
Author:  abyys [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:27 pm ]
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You should be able to come back with something every time, im pretty decent at "banter" as far as it goes, trick is to a) start the banter at people who banter a lot at any opportunity, if its on your terms its easier to "win". Have some points you know they are a bit ashamed/insecure about (obv dont go too far and properly upset them) at the back of your mind, as banter doesn't have to go with the flow, ie if some says "how well did you do on that exam jim?" after you did poorly you could reply "about as well as it went with you and that girl Tuesday night", (assuming something went poorly Tuesday night), so basically you try and take the banter of out a situation he has you beat, ie grades, into a general case, and because you are actively amoging/ know about pua u are going to have a list of his shortcoming up your selves guaranteeing your look better. I've used this to great effect, to the point that my flat mate who would always make me look bad doesn't even try it with me, knowing ill come back with more witt.

One of the great things i do is keking, this is basically pulling down my flat mates trousers cos he never wears a tight belt, or he wears sweat pants, this basically is a massive amog, and he cant get upset because its "revenge" for what he said before, works so well. In our flat with others around of course, i rarely do it in public because its kinda harsh unless the situations fit. So be imaginative with banter :)
Author:  Tao of Talk [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:28 am ]
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There is an old adage in Pickup that says for a girl to be attracted to you, treat her like a younger sister. When one of your friends trys to out-Banter you, treat them like a younger brother.

The simple "Awww, you're cute" and give them a pat on the head will drive them insane. I've done it before, and it's hilarious to watch banter goto straight up "IM GOING TO KILL YOU" in a matter of seconds. This is a last ditch effort.

My advice -- learn what really, and I mean, REALLY, bothers your friends. There is a phenomenal book on Power in Social Settings called "The 48 Laws of Power." One of the Laws state: Know Every Man's Thumbscrew. Learn what really irritates people, and they will be less likely to irritate you. If they start pressing your button, let them know you are capable of MAD -- Mutually Assured Destruction.
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