PUA Forum :: Going hot and cold

Hey Fuze, I know you mean well but I was only looking out for my own interest. Anyways, I am sorry I did not heed your advice, but sometimes I just go with my gut feeling and so far I'd say I'm still in the game after what happened tonight.

I briefly had time to write my post up there since I was just in my room changing before heading out tonight, now I'm back and I can give the full report.

We always lock eyes, she always comments on me being weird or something and try to DLV me. I stare back unfazed. I also take a long time to reply to her texts, I know she has guy friends that text her back as soon as she replies, now after tonight she wants me to "text her back". I'm assuming she means faster response...which I will not do but I told her I would anyways.

Over the past week, when she greets me and my friends I sometimes get a hug from her and I sometimes don't. So what I did was I would not give her a goodbye hug every time she didn't give me a hello hug. Sort of eye for an eye. Keep in mind she always hugs our mutual friends every time, she just choose to skip me sometimes.
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What happened this evening, I sat down with a mutual female friend and began talking to her. My girl, let's call her HB8 slides up next to me, presses her knees against my legs and our mutual friend said "You got that look" to HB8. Conversation ensues blah blah blah

Later in the evening HB8 texts me inside the car of another mutual friend we're getting a ride back from asking me if I want to hang out at her place. I didn't text back but I gave a verbal comply in the car. There were people in her dorm's lounge and we were watching TV, she pressed her body against mine for the majority of the time. I have been awake for almost 30 hours (studying all-nighter for a midterm that morning) and HB8 knew about it. I tried to hint sleeping in her bed but I got no invite and she kept telling me I look really tired so I went back.

In the process she told me she was originally planning on going home for the three day weekend this weekend, I told her I was staying and that she should stay. She promised to stay now.

So yeah guys, I didn't listen to your advice. I know I probably could have gotten her faster if I did but I just listen to my gut. So I'm going to sleep now and when I'm fully awake and ready to game I'll go kiss her f-close her or whatever this weekend when her whole dorm hall is gone and I will be there.

looking back i think her stares are just waiting for me to make my move to kiss her. i'm going to ask her for a compliance test to kiss me goodnight on the cheek next time i see her, if its a go im going in for the kiss this weekend

On a unrelated note she seems like 180 degree from not interested to totally interested in me. Especially since we 'divorced', she went along with the fact that we 'divorced'. And then suddenly in the last two days she keeps telling people we are still 'married'.

Author:	Zolstice [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:29 am ]
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If you remember me, I'm the guy who had a pretend marriage with this girl I like. She broke it off first on fb, I kinda just gave up on her. Then she started to say we're still married, started dragging me around by the arm but then sometimes she wouldn't greet or leave me with a hug. I take that as a IOD so I don't ask for a hug and just walk away. She's going hot and cold, is she just playing me?

Author:	PurpleSmash [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:00 am ]
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So a hug is all it takes to make you content? Think about it this way, a hug is not hot, and not hugging you is cold. There is no hot, only cold, you're wasting your time with this girl. Here's a few questions for you to ponder. Is this the only girl you flirt with? Are you afraid this girl won't like you anymore if you flirt with other girls? Do you come here with the idea of being a PUA and sleeping with many women, but secretly use all the advice on this one girl only? If you answer yes to those questions, then you have oneitis.

Author:	pumpington [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:02 am ]
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chances are, if you don't hang out alone, and you have not made out with her and have known her longer then two weeks, and you are both older then 16, then she just flirts with you for attention and has no interest in you at all, ask her out, if she has an excuse (doesn't matter what it is, don't care if she says her dog has aids and she has to take it to the hospital and she is really sorry), if she has and excuse and won't come hang out with you alone, just take that as she is 100% not interested and you are her flirt buddy when she is bored (aka an orbiter) if this is the case, rest assured with your current level of game, I give it about a 99% chance that she will never sleep with you or date you (if you want to prove me wrong, ask her out on a date) you gotta take action to get an answer, waiting around thinking something will change is silly as fuck, you have to try to sleep with her, to get her to sleep with you, when you do so, you will get your answer, have you ever been into a girl, then when she asks you if you want to hang out, suddenly make up excuses all the time why you cant do it? have your interest levels in a girl really every changed dramatically? it, is pretty safe to say that there are only two reasons that a girls interest would fall off, -you fuck up and turn her off in some way (either way way too aggressive and it creeps her out 9/10 this is better then the next option, or not aggressive enough and she thinks it will take until christmas to get laid by you cause you escalate like a pussy snail, or you said or did something extremely rude and emotionally reactive) -other guys sad to say it, but all girls on one level like attention some more then others (young girls especially like universal attention this is a generalization but mostly true) when dealing with teens, expect alot of them to love attention from guys, no matter how ugly they find them, they will flirt like crazy, but will never actually go out with them, just crack it up to them practicing and training orbiters so they have a day filled with ego boosts in real life as well as facebook once again, compliance will answer all your questions, she flakes once, no big deal, shame on her, flakes twice, hmm whats up with this, shame on you, flakes three times, FUCK THIS SHIT, put her at the back of the bus and actually put forth an effort to meet new girls as it is highly, highly, highly likely that this girl has no interest in you currently sexually, at all, (doesn't matter if she is friendly to you and flirts, you are merely an option to her if she consistently flakes you are on her back burner)

Author:	EddieFews [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:35 am ]
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Come on bro, you didn't listen to the previous advice.. Why do you keep coming back for more?

Author:	Zolstice [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:40 am ]
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Hey Fuze, I know you mean well but I was only looking out for my own interest. Anyways, I am sorry I did not heed your advice, but sometimes I just go with my gut feeling and so far I'd say I'm still in the game after what happened tonight. I briefly had time to write my post up there since I was just in my room changing before heading out tonight, now I'm back and I can give the full report. We always lock eyes, she always comments on me being weird or something and try to DLV me. I stare back unfazed. I also take a long time to reply to her texts, I know she has guy friends that text her back as soon as she replies, now after tonight she wants me to "text her back". I'm assuming she means faster response...which I will not do but I told her I would anyways. Over the past week, when she greets me and my friends I sometimes get a hug from her and I sometimes don't. So what I did was I would not give her a goodbye hug every time she didn't give me a hello hug. Sort of eye for an eye. Keep in mind she always hugs our mutual friends every time, she just choose to skip me sometimes. _______________________________________________________________ What happened this evening, I sat down with a mutual female friend and began talking to her. My girl, let's call her HB8 slides up next to me, presses her knees against my legs and our mutual friend said "You got that look" to HB8. Conversation ensues blah blah blah Later in the evening HB8 texts me inside the car of another mutual friend we're getting a ride back from asking me if I want to hang out at her place. I didn't text back but I gave a verbal comply in the car. There were people in her dorm's lounge and we were watching TV, she pressed her body against mine for the majority of the time. I have been awake for almost 30 hours (studying all-nighter for a midterm that morning) and HB8 knew about it. I tried to hint sleeping in her bed but I got no invite and she kept telling me I look really tired so I went back. In the process she told me she was originally planning on going home for the three day weekend this weekend, I told her I was staying and that she should stay. She promised to stay now. So yeah guys, I didn't listen to your advice. I know I probably could have gotten her faster if I did but I just listen to my gut. So I'm going to sleep now and when I'm fully awake and ready to game I'll go kiss her f-close her or whatever this weekend when her whole dorm hall is gone and I will be there. looking back i think her stares are just waiting for me to make my move to kiss her. i'm going to ask her for a compliance test to kiss me goodnight on the cheek next time i see her, if its a go im going in for the kiss this weekend On a unrelated note she seems like 180 degree from not interested to totally interested in me. Especially since we 'divorced', she went along with the fact that we 'divorced'. And then suddenly in the last two days she keeps telling people we are still 'married'.

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Author:	pumpington [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:20 am ]
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Quote: Hey Fuze, I know you mean well but I was only looking out for my own interest. Anyways, I am sorry I did not heed your advice, but sometimes I just go with my gut feeling and so far I'd say I'm still in the game after what happened tonight. I briefly had time to write my post up there since I was just in my room changing before heading out tonight, now I'm back and I can give the full report. We always lock eyes, she always comments on me being weird or something and try to DLV me. I stare back unfazed. I also take a long time to reply to her texts, I know she has guy friends that text her back as soon as she replies, now after tonight she wants me to "text her back". I'm assuming she means faster response...which I will not do but I told her I would anyways. Over the past week, when she greets me and my friends I sometimes get a hug from her and I sometimes don't. So what I did was I would not give her a goodbye hug every time she didn't give me a hello hug. Sort of eye for an eye. Keep in mind she always hugs our mutual friends every time, she just choose to skip me sometimes. _______________________________________________________________ What happened this evening, I sat down with a mutual female friend and began talking to her. My girl, let's call her HB8 slides up next to me, presses her knees against my legs and our mutual friend said "You got that look" to HB8. Conversation ensues blah blah blah Later in the evening HB8 texts me inside the car of another mutual friend we're getting a ride back from asking me if I want to hang out at her place. I didn't text back but I gave a verbal comply in the car. There were people in her dorm's lounge and we were watching TV, she pressed her body against mine for the majority of the time. I have been awake for almost 30 hours (studying all-nighter for a midterm that morning) and HB8 knew about it. I tried to hint sleeping in her bed but I got no invite and she kept telling me I look really tired so I went back. In the process she told me she was originally planning on going home for the three day weekend this weekend, I told her I was staying and that she should stay. She promised to stay now. So yeah guys, I didn't listen to your advice. I know I probably could have gotten her faster if I did but I just listen to my gut. So I'm going to sleep now and when I'm fully awake and ready to game I'll go kiss her f-close her or whatever this weekend when her whole dorm hall is gone and I will be there. looking back i think her stares are just waiting for me to make my move to kiss her. i'm going to ask her for a compliance test to kiss me goodnight on the cheek next time i see her, if its a go im going in for the kiss this weekend On a unrelated note she seems like 180 degree from not interested to totally interested in me. Especially since we 'divorced', she went along with the fact that we 'divorced'. And then suddenly in the last two days she keeps telling people we are still 'married'. what are you 14?, just try to kiss her, it is a no or a yes, doesn't take 10 years to get one, you're wasting your time, kiss is low compliance, you can get one after a good 10 minutes of talking to a girl, she knows if your attractive or not by then, just fucking be affectionate and stop waiting for her to escalate on you, or ''give you signs'' it wont happen, and girls are more likely to resist then to hop on your dick, take a risk, stop caring so much about if it goes well or it gets rejected, if she just talks to you, and allows you to touch her, and she is friendly, that is a good enough sign that you can attempt to make out with her the more you commit and make yourself vulnerable, the more she will see the confidence and trust you, the more you pussy foot around, the more she sees how much of a coward you are and loses respect for you, be bold and brave, take risks, make your move, it is either a yes or a no, if its a yes, good stuff you got a new girl, if it's a no, big deal, you just saved yourself time, if your hanging out with a flirt who wont even let you kiss her but will flirt, she is a giant waste of time, and you will only lead yourself on until she fucks some other guy while you orbit thinking something is there, when really, nothing is there stop treating this like it is some big deal, be patient past the kiss, but seriously a kiss should be able to go down the first day you meet a girl easy, there is no build up required for one, she either is attracted or isn't, stop being a girl about it, she already hugs you, just say, ''you got something on your lips there'' then go in slow and try to kiss her, she either lets you, turns the cheek, or backs off and gets repulsed, no matter what she does, if you get rejected, just smile at her, look away like you did nothing, then try again later, exact same thing, give yourself a good 3-5 tries, if you can't kiss her by the end of the night, there is your answer, stop wasting time, the more time it takes you to escalate, the more chance you do something to cock block yourself and she isn't interested anymore

Author:	Zolstice [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:52 am ]
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Thank you kind sir on your advice. The thing is we started out as friends, so I don't know how awkward it would be to just suddenly go in and kiss her. And secondly I have never kissed someone, that's what makes me nervous. I feel if I have done it before, I wouldn't be too nervous about it.

Author:	pumpington [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:04 am ]
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Quote: Thank you kind sir on your advice. The thing is we started out as friends, so I don't know how awkward it would be to just suddenly go in and kiss her. And secondly I have never kissed someone, that's what makes me nervous. I feel if I have done it before, I wouldn't be too nervous about it. I find there are two main reasons for why a guy becomes a girls friend -reason one, he is a giant pussy and has never tried to sexually advance with a girl out of ''respect for her'' aka he fears getting rejected -reason two, he has tried to sexually advance, but she thinks he is ugly/un-attractive the sooner you escalate after you meet a girl the less weird it will be to escalate on her because it seems like ''it is just normal'', but if you wait to long that doesn't really mean anything, just start the night off with a weird off handed comment, like ''you know what, something is different about you, you have this weird sort of sexy vibe tonight, what is that?'', that should be enough to set the frame, and from that point on, YOU ESCALATE, not her, YOU, it is your job as a man, don't worry about the weird looks she gives you, when she gives you that look that says WTF ARE YOU DOING?, give her a look back that says, ARE YOU RETARDED? WHAT DO YOU MEAN?, then continue escalating through out the night like it is normal, every time she puts up some sort of resistance, just back off, put your interest somewhere else, come back after a while, and attempt to push the compliance further once again, one of two things happens 1) she either reciprocates or respectfully starts resisting, and things go well, and is willing to hang out with you again 2) she either reciprocates or respectfully starts resisting, and doesn't try to hang out with you anymore, and flakes when you invite her out if the answer is 2, then she wasn't interested, if it is 1 and she reciprocates, bingo you are in, if she resists but still will hang out with you after, or says something about it, just start setting down frames that you can't help it (these give you a passive acceptance of escalation) example. her:what exactly were you doing last night, I thought we were friends I don't like you like that you: we are friends but something about you is different, you are sort of hot lately, I can't put my finger on it, I can't help how you have been making me feel lately (if she tries to get you to explain how you feel or w/e, don't do it, just say some bullshit like, ''it's a feeling and it can't be explained, or I dunno how to explain it'') to gain a fuck, you have to be willing to risk losing a friend, but seriously orbiting around and not escalating gets you absolutely nothing but the friend zone, guaranteed 9/10, unless you are amazingly good looking (more so even then zoolander, like really really really good looking)

Author:	Zolstice [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:19 pm ]
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Holy eff I screwed up last night. She was wearing a very a nice outfit and when people asked her why she's dressed up she said it was because it was valentines day. That's a big effing cue for me to go in! I didn't cause there were always people around... We were never alone. Now I'm just making excuses for myself

Author:	EddieFews [ Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:07 pm ]
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You have to take some type of initiative, your fear of being rejected by her in anyone is far too great and its bleeding out of every post you write so I know she picks up on this.. And that is not attractive what so ever.. Just a note, Girls love to flirt, they'll flirt with a guy friend if they see him talking to another women just for the rush and attention. It's also a lot easier for them to flirt with someone they knows is interested in them and is a friend. Invite her somewhere asap.. To your dorm to study with you, a walk around campus to the library.. Do something. You have to flirt with her out in the open when they're are a lot of people around. Women love that, it also shows your choosing her out of everyone in the room. Fear fucks so many guys over and its pisses me off lol Read my signature 50,000 times

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