Hi, Im new here. I came on this site to learn more about the art of pickup, because it is very interesting to me as a social psychology major. But has the art of pickup ever been truly put to the test by a scientist? I mean, has someone ever done a study in which some males approached women without knowledge of any pickup material and had some men approach women WITH knowledge of pickup and then interviewed the women to see which group of men they found more attractive? Of course this hypothetical study is not one that would work; there would need to be a physically measurable dependent variable, like perhaps women's heart rate or something like that, but im sure you all get the idea. anyway if someone did something like this it would be revolutionary and new; it would prove without a doubt that there are psychological methods to making other human beings become attracted to you, and that would change the way the world viewed the art of pickup. when I think of pickup, I think of a sketchy website that is trying to sell me something. I have faith that it is real, but im not totally convinced yet, and a study like this would convince me and many others.

There has been testing done, like how you describe, but to answer your question, no. Pickup will not ever be scientifically proven as it's outside the realms of science. However, certain aspects, such as the effects of dominance, eye-contact, etc, are provable.

no man, it's all fake.

There's your answer right there!!

It's impossible to do an experiment. If you know anything about experimental design, you'll know that it's impossible. Case studies are possible though.

You said they should compare "before PUA knowledge" and "after PUA knowledge" but to that I turn to Defy's answer! All of the knowledge, all of the gurus, are all fake. At least in the sense that reading their book will probably make you worse with girls the next time you go out.

But if you spend years talking to girls every chance you get, by the end, don't you think you'll be pretty good at talking to girls? Plenty of people are trying to sell you something, but they can't sell hard work and experience, so you never need to buy any of it.

How can 'art' be scientifically proven? Your question contradicts itself.

Is there a science to seducing women? Absolutley. There is psychology and biology or my personal favourite which I believe encompasses both, the science of evolution.

If you are interested in this I suggest that you read a book called 'the selfish' gene by Richard Dawkins. He is not a 'PUA' but he is one of the worlds foremost experts on evolution and his book puts it into terms that most people can understand.

Hi, Im new here. I came on this site to learn more about the art of pickup, because it is very interesting to me as a social psychology major. But has the art of pickup ever been truly put to the test by a scientist? I mean, has someone ever done a study in which some males approached women without knowledge of any pickup material and had some men approach women WITH knowledge of pickup and then interviewed the women to see which group of men they found more attractive? Of course this hypothetical study is not one that would work; there would need to be a physically measurable dependent variable, like perhaps women's heart rate or something like that, but im sure you all get the idea. anyway if someone did something like this it would be revolutionary and new; it would prove without a doubt that there are psychological methods to making other human beings become attracted to you, and that would change the way the world viewed the art of pickup. when I think of pickup, I think of a sketchy website that is trying to sell me something. I have faith that it is real, but im not totally convinced yet, and a study like this would convince me and many others.

Oh, how can you say its all fake and then be a part of this forum? And I dont think its fake actually, even though I dont know anything about it yet, because like someone else said, some people get a lot of women all the time and some never do, so its not chance. It may appear to seem like chance though, like poker, but the same thing goes for poker-- how can the same group of people always end up at the final table of the yearly poker tournament every time? Its not chance, so it must be learnable and real.

Oh, well can you show me the testing that was done? Thanks!

I obviously don't believe that talking to women is fake. I obviously believe that there are learnable tactics to talking to women.

All the ads above me, that say "Sleep with 10s by following these 3 secrets!" "Learn to pick up women in 7 minutes a day!" whatever bullshit they use to tell you there's an "easy way" is ALL fake. Doesn't mean the material they're selling is fake. The "easy way" is fake.

Whether or not a guy has access to "PUA knowledge" he will succeed or fail by his own efforts. The knowledge itself has little to do with that fact. Many more who come to this site fail than the number who succeed.

Im more interested in the social aspect of pickup and want to see if it can be applied to human beings in general and not just male-female courtship. But I feel that there must be certain, specific tactics that can get people to like you, simply for the fact that human beings do indeed become attracted to others under specific conditions. In other words its not just random attraction

Can I suggest you read "59 seconds" by prof. Richard Wiseman, and "Get anyone to do anything" by David J. Lieberman.
Both have chapters on attraction referencing to psychological studies, and the principles they detail are central to a lot of pickup schools.