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Author:  KimPa [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Weekend out of town with 2 birds
I am been hanging out with a girl for the past few months. She had a boyfriend and they broke up recently, because she cheated on him. Anyway, I have been put in the friend zone for a while, and that fucken annoys me. I know we had a lot of chemistery at the beginning, but then I just acted afc and we just stayed as drinking buddies and party buddies every weekend. Last time, she called and said she wanted to meet me at like 11pm.
Apparently, she was on a date with the guy she cheated on with her boyfriend and it went really bad, and wanted to see me. When she arrived to my town she hugged me and started crying saying she feels like crap, and she wishes she had a boyfriend like me. Later that night, we both said we liked each other. However, i told her i cant be with her as i know her too much, and she said well i feel the same too. A friend from university told me she told her that! So before she said it, i went ahead and said it myself. More than one time she brought up that if she didn't have a boyfriend she would have slept with me before. So i know she is attracted.
Anyway, this weekend im going with her and her best friend out of town to visit another city. It was supposed to be me and her only, but then she invited her friend to come along. Both of the girls are 8+ ! We will be sleeping all in the same bed or at least room. Do i have a chance of a threesome here? Or at least fucking her? Man, i would have next her long time ago, but I do like this girl and we have great times together. Plus, i want to fuck her. Everything will be much different once i do so. What do you guys think of all this?
Author:  DJ_Z [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:30 pm ]
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First off, let's address the obvious: if a girl is willing to cheat on her past bfs, she's willing to cheat on you.

From then on, this seems incredibly childish. You basically pretended to friendzone her so you wouldn't have to feel like she did it to you. If you actually wanted this girl, maybe you shoulda actually done something! "Hanging out" means little when she is impaling herself on another cock. She comes to you crying after a date, and you just overthink it time in and time out. YOU ARE NOT HER THERAPIST. Offering a shoulder to cry on does not attract a woman to you. How on earth do you expect to get anything going? ESCALATE. You are not listening to her problems, you are escalating, got it?
Author:  SmoothOp [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:46 pm ]
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I find myself becoming more evil the longer I stay on this forum. But I will answer your question.

Do you have a chance at a threesome? No. Most likely not.

Do you have a chance to bang the main girl? No. Most likely not

Do you have a chance to bang the friend? Maybe. Try.

Do you have a chance to pretend to be sleeping while two womanizers from the bar bang those two girls in the hotel room? Yes. Most definitely.

(Me and my friend have done that to some poor guy)

Stop being a women's friend and having secret agendas. It's creepy and I hate people like you.
Author:  KimPa [ Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:40 pm ]
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Thanks DJ, what you said makes sense, but since I was young I have always been the nice guy that cares about others, whether I want to fuck them or not. Smooth bud, I am new to this. I am not being an AFC because I want to really. Whether you like me or not is your own problem, and it don't matter to me at all. I really want to change, but all those fucken feelings keep getting in my way when I try to be a dick to girls. I have mixed feelings toward her, and I do not know how to act upon. I try to escalate and game her. However, other times I feel like I really don't want to her to be my friend. Sometimes I am really happy when i am with her, and other times when she brings other guys into the conversation, flirts with guys when im around and stuff like that I just hate her and feel like i am wasting my time. I know for a fact i don't want her as a gf, but I really do like her..
Author:  KimPa [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:25 pm ]
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Okay, the weekend is over.. Hmm, ill tell the events. 1. Both of them were acting bitchy towards me after I acted like an insecure dick on the first day.
2. They kept talking in Russian, and I didn't understand a word through the weekend. I had so many things coming to my mind that I couldn't control so I was being silent while they were being bitches towards me.
3. We went clubbing saturday, the friend of my target made out with 2 guys.
4. My target took a guy aside so I don't see them, and made out with him.
5. I opened and talked to many girls, but I wasn't in the mood and none of them were a success.
6. Then we left, all 3 of us with 4 other Swedish guys. My friends invited them to have coffee at out place but the guys said they didnt want. WEIRD AS FUCK...I still don't know why they didnt want really.
7. While we were going back home, my target and one of the guys slowed down and took the guy aside and made out with him again. When we texted her she said :" I will be late" I didn't say anything, but my heart was fucken beating so fast. 2 min later she came, she was fucking with us. Me and my 2 friends went back to the apartment. No one had sex.
8. I felt like shit today, and ever since I arrived home I have been crying and blaming myself for being too nice to them, and allowing them to be fucken bitches towards me.
9. I made a promise to myself not to call any of them again, as I have noticed that I am always upset when I am around both of them together. I love to hang out with her, but I always feel like shit after I do.

Please who ever can give me any piece of advice to change my AFC self please help. I am sick and tired of this. I really can't take it anymore :S
KimPa
Author:  Gizmo1000 [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:19 pm ]
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Sorry to hear your weekend was so shit. But harness those feelings and use them to change.

I don't know if you have or not but first of all I'd read up stuff and get some knoledge on gaming. Read the game,Venusian arts,double your dating... Juggler did a hood book as well. Get them all on PDF as well. I'd suggest that as a first step
Author:  DJ_Z [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:37 pm ]
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You don't have to be a dick to be good with women, you just need a spine. The stereotypical nice guy that this community is so against is actually a tremendous hypocrite. He does favors for girls, follows them around, and treats them special not because he loves women and does this out of the kindness of his heart, but because that is how he believes women will sleep with him. That kindness has strings attached, and it had strings attached in your case. You were nice to her because you thought it would get you laid.

You can still do things that are genuine, but do it for people who have earned it. Don't buy a girl flowers because she agreed to go on a date with you, do it because you've been dating for months and she's a terrific girlfriend. Don't turn into some girl's therapist because you want her to suck your dick, do it because she's your best friend and she's hurting. I treat women very well, but I do it because they have proven to be good friends. The women I'm just interested in sexually don't get that all automatically.
Author:  Gizmo1000 [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:40 pm ]
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You don't have to be a dick to be good with women, you just need a spine. The stereotypical nice guy that this community is so against is actually a tremendous hypocrite. He does favors for girls, follows them around, and treats them special not because he loves women and does this out of the kindness of his heart, but because that is how he believes women will sleep with him. That kindness has strings attached, and it had strings attached in your case. You were nice to her because you thought it would get you laid.

You can still do things that are genuine, but do it for people who have earned it. Don't buy a girl flowers because she agreed to go on a date with you, do it because you've been dating for months and she's a terrific girlfriend. Don't turn into some girl's therapist because you want her to suck your dick, do it because she's your best friend and she's hurting. I treat women very well, but I do it because they have proven to be good friends. The women I'm just interested in sexually don't get that all automatically.
Very good advice and I agree.
Author:  KimPa [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:48 pm ]
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Sorry to hear your weekend was so shit. But harness those feelings and use them to change.

I don't know if you have or not but first of all I'd read up stuff and get some knoledge on gaming. Read the game,Venusian arts,double your dating... Juggler did a hood book as well. Get them all on PDF as well. I'd suggest that as a first step
It's alright bro. I'm just annoyed of myself as I know I can do better. Just like I do better in other fields in my life, I can get better at this. I have read the Game.. It is really a good book that I actually enjoyed reading. I will make sure to get Venusian arts, and double your dating book too. Thanks
Author:  KimPa [ Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:57 pm ]
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You don't have to be a dick to be good with women, you just need a spine. The stereotypical nice guy that this community is so against is actually a tremendous hypocrite. He does favors for girls, follows them around, and treats them special not because he loves women and does this out of the kindness of his heart, but because that is how he believes women will sleep with him. That kindness has strings attached, and it had strings attached in your case. You were nice to her because you thought it would get you laid.

You can still do things that are genuine, but do it for people who have earned it. Don't buy a girl flowers because she agreed to go on a date with you, do it because you've been dating for months and she's a terrific girlfriend. Don't turn into some girl's therapist because you want her to suck your dick, do it because she's your best friend and she's hurting. I treat women very well, but I do it because they have proven to be good friends. The women I'm just interested in sexually don't get that all automatically.

I totally agree.Thanks. I know many people who are very nice, and still get laid more than anyone else. They are sneaky and they know what they are doing. Recapping things, the main reason my results were bad this time are: 1. The first night I saw both of them , i got invited to sleep with both of them on the same bed that night, but I refused and left home. I don't know if that is good or bad. Good because it doesnt show im needy. Bad because i could have had sex with them.
2. On many occasions before I was in the whole friend zone area, I had many chances of kissing my target. I know she liked me, as she used to call me and ask me to see her, although many of the guys from uni were calling her and she was not returning their calls.

there are so many things I will have to work on to improve myself, but it is hard to know where to start from..
KimPa
Author:  DJ_Z [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:27 am ]
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...if the girl invites you to come into bed with her, GET INTO THE FUCKING BED. Walking away from sex, unless that sex would have negative consequences, drama, etc, isn't good :P As for how to start, it seems like you are at square 1 so I'd advise you to do two things. First, do the rookie challenege, where you just go to some place that has a lot of people and say hello to everyone you pass by. Second, read Chief's guide to outer game, it'll give you a lot of basic things to get you started on conversation, opening, physicality, etc. Don't get bogged down by reading a bunch of books and watching videos online, because you run the risk of turning into a keyboard jockey where you think "oh, i read this stuff, i could get any woman i want" but you never actually GO and do anything.
Author:  Chris2k10 [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:55 am ]
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First off, let's address the obvious: if a girl is willing to cheat on her past bfs, she's willing to cheat on you.

From then on, this seems incredibly childish. You basically pretended to friendzone her so you wouldn't have to feel like she did it to you. If you actually wanted this girl, maybe you shoulda actually done something! "Hanging out" means little when she is impaling herself on another cock. She comes to you crying after a date, and you just overthink it time in and time out. YOU ARE NOT HER THERAPIST. Offering a shoulder to cry on does not attract a woman to you. How on earth do you expect to get anything going? ESCALATE. You are not listening to her problems, you are escalating, got it?
DJ Z is right bro. You can't let her do that to you. What you wanna do is offer her your cock to cry on. It makes things so much better and everybody wins.
Author:  Chris2k10 [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:03 am ]
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You don't have to be a dick to be good with women, you just need a spine. The stereotypical nice guy that this community is so against is actually a tremendous hypocrite. He does favors for girls, follows them around, and treats them special not because he loves women and does this out of the kindness of his heart, but because that is how he believes women will sleep with him. That kindness has strings attached, and it had strings attached in your case. You were nice to her because you thought it would get you laid.

You can still do things that are genuine, but do it for people who have earned it. Don't buy a girl flowers because she agreed to go on a date with you, do it because you've been dating for months and she's a terrific girlfriend. Don't turn into some girl's therapist because you want her to suck your dick, do it because she's your best friend and she's hurting. I treat women very well, but I do it because they have proven to be good friends. The women I'm just interested in sexually don't get that all automatically.
Very good advice and I agree.
Only exception to doing nice things with strings attached is to actually ESCALATE while you do the nice things like flowers. For example I'd buy a single flower right before I go on the first date and give it to her WHILE doing something like leaning in and whispering in her ear, "You're beautiful, this is for you." And then kissing her gently on the neck. Either that or I'd hand it to her while running it down her cleavage and saying, "This is for you.."
Author:  KimPa [ Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:37 am ]
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Thanks DJ. I'll do at soon as possible. Will go to Hyde park or somewhere big where there a lot of people and keep doing that for 30 min until I feel shameless :D
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