You hear about people encouraging you to say "good girl" "bad girl"
Not giving warmth as punishment, not caring as much as a subtle punishment.

HB8: "don't be mad but I can't make it on blah blah blah"
Lovedrop: "huh? what? we were going out on blah blah blah? nah don't worry about it I'm going out with my friends" -> and then he goes out with his friends and picks up another girl, doesn't give a shit lol

or when girls do it to us

you piss her off so the girls will go cold and say "nothing" when you ask them what's wrong

What are some classical conditioning/operant conditioning you should use? Dog training?

If I were you I would stay away from conditioning altogether, that way of thinking is a slippery slope my friend.

How about instead of trying to figure out new and creative ways of manipulating women to do your bidding you concentrate on ways you can improve yourself to be more attractive to women.

For example, do you think that this domineering aspect of your personality is attractive to women? Do you think that a woman would look at this post of yours and think, wow he's a real catch why can't more men be like him?

There is no point in learning to pick up women if you can't feel good about you as a person at the end of the day. The number one reason you got into this was because you wanted to be fundamentally happier, you figured that shagging lots of hot girls will make you fundamentally happier.

Well I will save you the trouble now and tell you that it wont make you happy unless you can look yourself in the mirror at the end of the day and be proud of yourself and your accomplishments as a human being.

Just look at Mystery, his profession, his seduction style is all revolved around deception and he is successful in that deception but he is also fucking miserable. Is that what you want for yourself?



Of course, the dark side does have some benefits...

I agree with most of what you have said. But I believe that negative conditioning has a place within relationships, but only to establish one's boundaries. Also positive reinforcement can be used to foster good habits in a relationship.

Relationships are weird, in that, it's almost like at the beginning you are setting up a ton of unspoken rules and habits which will later define the relationship. If at the beginning of a relationship you do not stand up for yourself and make clear boundaries and rules about appropriate behavior, it is almost impossible to set them later. Now this is all done on a sub textual level, usually rules are set on reactions to situations, or based on your habits toward her, rather than actual verbal debates. Like for instance a woman will push you to test how much she can get away with, and if you don't stand up for yourself she will push more; or if you start paying for everything in the beginning, she will become accustomed to it and expect it from then on.

In these cases, standing up for your boundaries and creating a healthy ongoing dynamic in the relationship, is very similar to negative conditioning and positive reinforcement. In the sense that a woman is trying to figure out what you will put up with and what you like, so by either rewarding good behavior or punishing bad, she is learning what you will or won't allow out of a partner. And she will either accept it and adapt her behavior in the relationship to conform, or she will decide to reject it and leave.

I know this seems very formulaic, but a lot of guys out there have very poor boundary systems and don't stand up for themselves like they should, then they get horribly mistreated which affects their self-esteem and hurts their game even more. So learning to say when you disapprove of bad behavior is a prerequisite for any guy looking to date seriously.

I agree with most of what you have said. But I believe that negative conditioning has a place within relationships, but only to establish one's boundaries. Also positive reinforcement can be used to foster good habits in a relationship.

Relationships are weird, in that, it's almost like at the beginning you are setting up a ton of unspoken rules and habits which will later define the relationship. If at the beginning of a relationship you do not stand up for yourself and make clear boundaries and rules about appropriate behavior, it is almost impossible to set them later. Now this is all done on a sub textual level, usually rules are set on reactions to situations, or based on your habits toward her, rather than actual verbal debates. Like for instance a woman will push you to test how much she can get away with, and if you don't stand up for yourself she will push more; or if you start paying for everything in the beginning, she will become accustomed to it and expect it from then on.

In these cases, standing up for your boundaries and creating a healthy ongoing dynamic in the relationship, is very similar to negative conditioning and positive reinforcement. In the sense that a woman is trying to figure out what you will put up with and what you like, so by either rewarding good behavior or punishing bad, she is learning what you will or won't allow out of a partner. And she will either accept it and adapt her behavior in the relationship to conform, or she will decide to reject it and leave.

I know this seems very formulaic, but a lot of guys out there have very poor boundary systems and don't stand up for themselves like they should, then they get horribly mistreated which affects their self-esteem and hurts their game even more. So learning to say when you disapprove of bad behavior is a prerequisite for any guy looking to date seriously.

If I were you I would stay away from conditioning altogether, that way of thinking is a slippery slope my friend.

why would you say its slippery slope?

Because most people do not know how to use operant conditioning properly, nor do they understand the deleterious effects it can lead to. As a counseling psychologist I'd only use it where upon it would be of benefit to somebody with an unhealthy addiction, and even still such forms of 'manipulation' would be done transparently, with the client's full knowledge and active participation. PUAs engaging in psychological techniques they know very little about is dangerous for both themselves and, in the worst of circumstances are unquestionably coercive.

Dude your scaring me a little I've been using classic conditioning on my girlfriend for 3 months now and she is obsessed with me! It can be quite depressing sometimes, she even says if i left her she would kill herself, I'm not going to lie I know fuck all about game really, I read the mystery method and have been hurt in the past so i wanted to make sure it didn't happen again. What would you advise I do I actaully do love my girlfriend!

papichulo818 Thank you very much, very kind of you to give me such a detailed answer helped with alot of underlying issues! Defo bookmarking this post!

The issue with negative conditioning is that it doesn't provide for a corrective response, it only punishes, or illicit a negative response to behavior you want to extinguish. This is why often this form of punishment dolled out by parents does not work well with children.

I consider conditioning to be very different to this though. The whole idea of trying to train women like they are sub-intelligent creatures is kind of offensive to me.

Women are a lot more complicated than dogs and trying to use the same kind of pyschology we use on intellectually inferior humans on other human beings is a recipe for disaster in my opinion.

That and it's kind of sick and perverse.