A smart woman, the type I like, will see through AMOG'ing for what it really is, in my opinion, which is an insecure man trying to bully and dominate interactions to try to prove to others he is "the man."

Wrote this up for somewhere else, but I thought it might be useful here too, for anyone who needs a breakdown of AMOGing. It ended up being a pretty long post, as I tried to cover not only the tactics but also the foundations of the idea.

AMOG is an acronym coined by the Venusian community to refer to the “Alpha Male of The Group,” or generally the most dominant figure in a specific social milieu or interaction. So if you’re talking about the NBA, you may consider the best players to all be AMOGs via social proof. If you’re talking about a group of random strangers mingling at a bar, it might be the man clearly guiding the entire conversational frame with his charisma. If you’re talking about a schoolyard, it might be the bully everyone’s afraid of. The term is not used to designate an Alpha in the conventional Beta/Alpha usage of the term, you wouldn’t call your best friend an “AMOG” by virtue of his mindset. It’s used rather, as a referencing tool, to dissect a social interplay within a vacuum. So if your friend was with a group of 4 betas, you might call him the AMOG. But when he’s with his more Alpha boss at work (relatively), his boss is THE AMOG; although they are BOTH Alpha.

AMOGing is just the verbalized form of the same concept, it refers to pulling rank over a guy. For example, you might walk into a bar and open a set. Suddenly another guy cold approaches the set you’re in, and begins to try and “out-alpha” you, to win over the girls. Both of you are cognizant of game, so the set spirals into a clash of wit and acumen. This is the typical scenario people refer to when they’re talking about seduction and AMOGing, but it can be articulated in a multitude of other ways. It does NOT always have to be a CONSCIENCE sleight of hand. Whenever you give advice to someone, you AMOG them because the act of guiding them presupposes you have more power/knowledge than them (I’m talking in general here, don’t comment and point out times when you gave your dad advice). When that beta on steroids walks up to the PUA hitting on his girlfriend and tells him to “back off,” he is attempting to AMOG him. Notice that there is no correlation between trying to AMOG someone and actually BEING Alpha. Betas are always fighting for supremacy within their own mosh pits of degradation the same way Alphas are always fighting for the position of Top Dog.

The concept exists because society is structured in a hierarchical fashion. The same way wolves and apes have Alpha males that lead their packs, humans have Alpha Males that lead their companies, their countries, and their social circles. The exact purpose of why the Alpha Male exists (obviously has something to do with social-evolution / biomechanics) will not be discussed here, it is obvious enough that it DOES. When we’re playing a game of basketball, we’re trying to AMOG our opponents. Political candidates try and AMOG each other. Cavemen used to try and AMOG each other, albeit in a more brutal manner. These are all manifestations of our innate desire to be apex social predators.

This fundamental motivation has several indirect implications on AMOGing itself. For example, you will notice that if AMOGing is done for the purpose of trying to OUTRANK another guy, there is no purpose in trying to AMOG a guy that you KNOW you cannot win against. This is why, typically, a man will not seek a conflict versus someone they know they are likely to lose against. And in certain situations, the man in question may outrank him by so much that he takes the opposite route, and idolizes him (role models, or people we look up to who influence us).

This is also why we usually never look up to people younger than us. Most of my generation hates Justin Bieber, but they were in love with the Backstreet Boys growing up. And one generation ahead of me, the guys may like Justin Bieber, but will hate whatever child singer comes up when they’re older. We may respect people younger than us, but rarely do we “idolize” them. Most people’s role models are far and above them; people they are unlikely to ever directly compete against and who they can justify idolizing without subconsciously effacing themselves.

Ok so now, onto HOW to AMOG someone.

Whichever man has the stronger frame, the stronger reality, will always win.

Imagine for a second that you were in a club, and Tom Cruise came and opened the set you were in. And then you began to use AMOG tactics against him. Do you think you’d win? Do you think, no matter how refined your tactics are, that you would stand a chance?

Why would he win so effortlessly? Do you think that he would fumble through “AMOG tactics” in his head?

Think about the concept of being Alpha. How does it NATURALLY come about? The people you see around you who are so good with girls intuitively, how did they get that way?

When you’re trying to AMOG someone, the idea is to REINFORCE the notion that YOU are the dominant male figure. Already one can see a host of problems. If you’re a beta learning PUA tactics online, before you can convince the people around you that you’re the AMOG, you have a greater challenge; you need to convince YOURSELF that you are Alpha. You need to believe whole-heartedly, that YOU are the mortal demi-god who omnisciently presides over his concubines. And so rare this is. Aren’t all of us plagued by approach anxiety? Don’t we all get nervous sometimes when we’re uncomfortable? Everyone has a far way to go. The real goal in game is not girl-mastery, it’s self-mastery.

Now go back to the example w/ Tom Cruise, or any natural Alpha. ALL his life, he was an Alpha Male. The natural was perhaps quarter back at his college football team, or a talented chess prodigy who competed globally and frequently crushed the egos of the men around him. Whatever the case may be, he is NOT like you. He doesn’t have to think “ok, I AM more Alpha than him.” He has led a life of leading other men, it is INGRAINED within every cell and neuron in his body. His frame is so fucking powerful because he believes, without an inch of doubt, that he IS more Alpha than you. He doesn’t need to CONVINCE himself “I am Alpha, I have game, Women are nothing.” His subconscious has always taken this fact to be the truth of the world, he does not have to struggle with his internal belief system the way we do.

I made the above illustration to show how in order to AMOG other people consistently and without effort, you CANNOT think up “AMOG” tactics, because that idea IN AND OF ITSELF presupposes that you are more beta – and require tactics. What you need is to change your internal mindset, to adopt a freakish level of confidence, that irrational strain of hubris that makes you absolutely un-fucking-touchable.



But while this is the ultimate goal, I think it would still help to discern AMOG tactics for the journey to come. So you can at least understand them, and one day, laugh as other people attempt to use them on you.



(a) Reacting to someone making fun of you: Amused Mastery. It is CRITICAL that you understand the difference between amused mastery and “ignoring” someone. When you ignore someone out of amused mastery, it’s because you are DISINTERESTED. When you ignore someone as a spasmodic reaction to them poking fun at you, you are still a beta; one that curls up at the thought of being made fun of. You cannot get defensive; there is a world of difference between ignoring someone because they are hurting your feelings and ignoring them because you truly don’t give a fuck. The same rule applies at the opposite end. The “laugh it off” rule has ended up creating an army of betas that nervously chuckle at every affront. How do you retain dignity if you laugh at everything someone says, regardless of whether it’s funny or not? If you burst out in laughter before they got to the punch line, the one aimed at you?
Amused mastery – if it’s funny you laugh. If it’s not funny, you just stare at them dead in the eye or continue what you were doing without caring.

 

(b) Arguments: Alpha’s are not afraid to disagree, but nor are they argumentative. For two reasons. First, it’s a waste of their time. How many times have you got into an argument with someone of far lower intelligence about some illogical shit and tried to make them see the light? Does it work? No. It’s been long enough, you’ve wasted enough breath. Experiment over. And unless it ACTUALLY benefits you, why argue? An argumentative person is weak, they find the need to constantly be “right” to reinforce their fragile egos.

 

(c) In a Pick up: I’ve found three approaches to generally work the best. Against someone being a dick, total aloofness + sarcasm. He says “what are you drinking there? A cosmo?” you reply “Nah man, those are way to harsh.” Treat him the EXACT same way you would treat a fat girl; he is shit testing you. How do you handle a shit test from a girl? Against someone trying to subtly AMOG you (being nice, but throwing in a neg here and there), you have to do the same thing he's trying to do. Here it comes down to a direct contest of Game. And lastly, against a guy who tries to blow you out by ignoring you; call him out. He walks over and opens the set, you reply with “wow that’s funny, we were just talking about pick up lines, and you delivered that one perfectly.” 9/10 times if you can execute, their balls will shrink in utter fear of your Machiavellian ways. Rarely though, you might run into someone just as good or better as you, in which case it’d be better to open a different set. While this seems like “pussying out,” remember it is WORSE to stay in a set a AFTER getting blown out than to walk away indifferently.

 

(d) Spotlight: Sometimes someone else just soaks up all the attention from whatever they’re doing and you’re not feeling it that night. Don’t act try-hard or force out some convoluted routine. Just fuck it and grab a drink, ditch the set and re-open another one that’s not interested in the show. RE-OPEN your set later. NEVER act impressed by someone else. To act IMPRESSED is to subtly admit that you are incapable of their feat. Give CREDIT where it is due, but never act “dazzled.” If you’re out hanging out at a party and everyone including your girlfriend is glued to some guy telling jokes, go talk to someone else who’s not interested. But be LAID BACK. Always maintain that Suave-As-Fuck vibe, nothing can perturb your state control.

 

(e) Against someone competing for the same Oneitis: Use his social conditioning against himself. For example, all men have been conditioned from day 1 of their lives to “befriend” girls in a way to supplicate to them. Even if you’re dealing with an alpha with knowledge over game, some part of him will still remember this dynamic and defer to it if you can force it upon him. For example, imagine the girl you like has three or four other guys liking her. If you can entice all of THEIR propensities to “befriend her,” you can desexualize them in her eyes. When she’s talking about another guy, make the assumption that they’re only friends. Make her think to herself “no I don’t see him like that,” and you will strengthen her need to LJBF everyone but you.

 

(f) Body Language: Besides the all the regular Alphaesque signals you should be giving out, remember to maintain the upper and more comfortable position in whenever possible. When you shake someone's hand, the dominant side is the top hand. When you nod at someone, nodding upwards is dominant, downwards is submissive. When you're blowing smoke, blowing downwards is submissive. Breaking eye contact to look at the floor or downwards is submissive. When you're standing uncomfortably to talk to someone while they are comfortably sitting down, they retain the power position. When you're squeezing in uncomfortably to fit into a table and someone else sits at the square end comfortably, they retain the power position. Reverse engineer this rule to restrict someone's movements. Ever notice the intricate details of a handshake between politicians? One may force the other one to lean in, one may cuff the other one's shoulder with their arms, or perhaps give the double handshake. All minute instances of AMOGing.

 

While these tactics can be useful, I implore you to remember the inviolable foundation of AMOGing someone: State control. The man with a frame like Darth Vadar will always win.

 

So two men walk into a bar. They both think they are Alpha... but which one believes it more? Which one believes in himself more? Which one has less insecurities, less fear? Which one has conquered his inner demons? Fuck being able to hold eye contact with the other guy, which one can look at HIMSELF in the mirror and say, without a doubt "I am a god."

I disagree entirely. I think that Ezo's post on frame wars in the PUA Lounge explains why. A smart woman, the type I like, will see through AMOG'ing for what it really is, in my opinion, which is an insecure man trying to bully and dominate interactions to try to prove to others he is "the man."