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Author:  k0wabunga [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:35 am ]
Post subject:  Am I negging too hard or not paying attention to AMOGs ?
Hey guys,

This is my first post here, I'll try to make it clear and short. Nobody likes boring stories with a lot of details.

This was my week-end nights, I want to understand what happened and make the right conclusions.

1st set :
- In a bar, dancefloor downstairs, a bit crowded. Target is HB 8, asian beauty.
- I'll skip the details since the sarging was going well, I played cocky funny.
- The girl goes "Maybe I'm going to give you to see each other again"
- I'm like "Why would I see you again ?"
- We walk outside, still talking in a funny way.
- Outside the bar, we meet her friends and mine. It's getting kinda cocky-funny with the group and her friends. Especially with one friend of her.
- A ginger head walks to me and poke me a few times, AMOG me. He looks drunk.
- I'm getting pissed and react in a passive-aggressive way.
- My 2 friends (girls) pull me out because they don't want anybody to fight.

2nd set:

- In a club, it was crowded and full of plastic beauties.
- Target is HB 9, long blond hair, blue eyes, a lot of make up, very nice body.
- I open her friend with a neg ("Oh wow, that hair is too blond to be real.")
- Second neg about fake nails.
- She's a bit chatty for like 2-3 minutes. Then because of the crowd, we're go different ways.
- Later that night, they see me passing by them with two friends (girls) around me.
- The HB target comes right to my face, introduce herself in a not so friendly way.
- She starts almost yelling at me, complaining about how rude I was with her friend.
- I give her the neg attitude and pretend she pisses me off (but with a big smile).
- When her group realizes that she's a bit yelling, two guys come to me and AMOG me.
- I pretend I don't understand why she's mad and walk away with my two friends under my arms.

3rd set :

- In a club, quite crowded, right behind the DJ.
- HB 9, blond girl, blue eyes, manager of the party we were in.
- I was just enjoying my drink.
- She starts conversation, we introduce ourselves.
- I neg her, "Oh my god, I shouldn't talk to you right now, my ex-girlfriend's name is XXXX" (Same as the target). She laughs.
- One of her (3/10) girlfriend walks close to us. I talk to her to neg the target.
- The target touches her hair a few times (because of the neg)
- She gives me her business card and say I should send her my mixes (I'm a DJ).
- Added her on facebook with a polite message (professional way).
- I still don't know if it was only professional or not.

I've been AMOG 3 times this week end (Yeah, I'm skipping an other boring set), I think there is something wrong with my game.
It's hard to remember all the details but I've tried to be honest.
My feeling is that the last set (HB9 manager) was really chill because it was the end of the night and I was honestly a bit tired and I inconsciously gave up sarging. So I guess I was nice with girls and not playing to much game. She probably felt that.

What do you guys think ? Any comment on any set will be really appreciated.
Author:  charblad [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:18 am ]
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Try not negging, this will work more than actually negging in most cases because it's rare to find someone who actually knows how to do it; even if you claim to it's easy to tell if your lying or not.
Telling a girl you have no reason to see her again, not a neg your saying you don't want to see her
Telling a girl she has fake hair, not a neg
Telling a girl she has fake anything, not a neg, your saying even though she put all the hours into her make-up, professional hair stylist, and 100$ nails you still don't find her attractive.

Not addressing the Bitch Shield in set2, will get you nowhere, friends opinions are important to a girl.
Letting other guys near your girls, will get you nowhere

Next time you go out try not being a douche to every girl; don't neg, don't put them down, don't laugh at them, don't tell them you can't talk to them because your f-in their sister.
Put down any AMOG's right away, it's your party and they weren't invited. "Whoh look at this guy touchin me, he must be gay for me, sorry bud I'm 100% into chicks"
Or just act like their not there, they're so low they don't deserve your time.
Author:  k0wabunga [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:20 am ]
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Thanks charblad. It is helpful.

The funny thing is, I am not like that in real life at all.
I think I completely misunderstood the neg concept.
I'm gonna follow your advice and try not to neg.

So what is the right conception of a neg according to you chardblad ?
Author:  Velocity! [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:51 am ]
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Thanks charblad. It is helpful.

The funny thing is, I am not like that in real life at all.
I think I completely misunderstood the neg concept.
I'm gonna follow your advice and try not to neg.

So what is the right conception of a neg according to you chardblad ?
You dont have to put away negs for good. Just get better with then, pick your moments.

I partly agree with charblad, dont neg for the next couple of nights out, not because it doesn`t work, but you rely too much on it. Practice other aspects of game
Author:  charblad [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:26 am ]
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You dont have to put away negs for good. Just get better with then, pick your moments.
I partly agree with charblad, dont neg for the next couple of nights out, not because it doesn`t work, but you rely too much on it. Practice other aspects of game
Thanks :D
To answer your 2nd neg question k0wa negs are as fined tuned as the woman your negging with. There is almost no neg that works on every girl, and even if you used a canned neg it wouln't REALLY work like in the movies. You neg a girl after you know her, or what you know about her; negging isn't putting a woman down, it's really about showing her your interested in her but she has to do some moves first.
Also negging isn't for every woman, if shes a HB8 or less then don't neg at all, it's not a set rule but it's a heavy suggestion; you have a LOT more to lose than gain in these situations.
You have to practice a LOT to get negs right, and you have to find the right girls to practice it on which is hard. Not a lot of guys get a HB9-10 and think "perfect time to practice my neg's" which is why you rarely see anyone who knows how to do one.

The hardest part is I can't really give you a example, it's not as simple as "your hair looks fake" or the popular "you eyelash is running" line (I don't even get why they made that one...) and to tell you about ones I use I'd have to take up 2x this space telling you the backstory or else you wouldn't get it. Neg's arn't popular, or talked about a lot in PUA because you can't just "talk" about them, you have to 'experience' them.

If you REALLY want I can PM you a example or two, but it takes a lot of typing on my part :?
Author:  MynameisFisher [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:48 am ]
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Exactly. I found a neg in Mystery's book that pissed me off even when reading it and now. It goes like "Nice dress. I've seen this one on another girl here last week" The hell is the purpose of this I don't get it's a huge insult and that's all.

As for this "how to neg" thing as others have stated it it really depends on the girl, the girl's mood, and the whole situation. Also... this is a big one. SMILE when you neg. She must know that you're just fucking around with her and don't mean to insult her. Girls like it playful, not douchy.

I'll give you however one of my secret weapons. It's gold if it's used properly but you must be cautious when doing so:

Target starts bitching around..."You're mean blah blah blah"
And then you repeat it imitating her voice and smiling. Use it only once per set but if you use it well they will roll on the floor laughing. What I mean with using it well, is by this time the group have to know that you're a man of value and fun, and you're not there to play Mr. Douche. After this neg you can claw her in and tell her she's cute when she's trying to be funny. If you lose the set from there then I think it's down to serious inner game issues.
Author:  Lodewijkp [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:51 pm ]
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dude...

fuck these woman .. they don't give a fuck about you.. they would easily left you to die they don't care..

why are you caring about people who do not give a fuck about you ..

just neg them.. most people are useless and backstabbing anyway
Author:  SidTine [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:59 pm ]
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I have a serious issue with over-negging too.. You should deffinetly take it more easy, bcs women find too much negging as a hard-try or that you are just some jerk. Does`t come off well.. If you do neg so much though, calibrate it with some IOI or smth. If done right it should raise your value. But I don`t recommend you that :P
As for the AMOGing.. Be fucking PUA.. Others don`t have an influence on you or your state of mind. Don`t give a fuck about them and act like that. Seriously, bcs they don`t give a fuck about you either.
Author:  T_RAW [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:19 pm ]
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Neg only when she displays alot of dominance over you, not if shes not being a bitch.
Author:  k0wabunga [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:23 pm ]
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I like that last sentence.
I suppose it's better to calibrate the negs depending on the girl.
The purpose is to show higher value, not make her feel uncomfortable.
Author:  Vietman100 [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:37 pm ]
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It sounds like the neg you made from the 2nd set came off as too arrogant. I think the neg is supposed to be said along with a compliment first ie "Is the blonde your real hair color?" Regardless of what she says, you can always say, "Even though its real/fake, I guess it looks good."

The compliment brings the girl up and then the neg brings her down. Most girls I do this to aren't sure how to react and laugh because they have no idea what I mean. And then that just opens me up to more conversation with them. The neg you made just sounded like a douchey comment.

The neg you made up in the 3rd set was good. You made it sound like her name was a bad thing without insulting her. And you can tell it was a good one cause you got a laugh out of her friend. Try to make your negs more like that. I also agree with dz. Over negging can make yourself come off as a douche. I think Mystery said in his book the hotter the girl, the more negs it'll take to bring the broad down to your level. But girls who are average looking have more self-esteem issues and your % of offending the girl is much higher (I'm finding this to be very true when I go out and try it on all types of women. Only the girls with a GREAT sense of humor will not take offense to multiple negs). Think of it like this:

H I /
O I /
T I /
N I /
E I /
S I /
S I /
I /
I/_________
NEGS
Author:  hypnopotomus [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:58 pm ]
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I cant for the life of me see how negging is going to do anything but piss people off. Girls are not stupid, if you start talking to them randomly they will know you like them.
If you say something that insults them most times they will get pissed off and tell other people around them that you are pissing them off.
You would get much better reactions from girls you like by giving them genuine compliments on things you really like about them. Delivered in a non needy way ie not caring what she says.

If she has a great body and that turns you on , go tell her.

If she has a pretty face , go tell her.

This takes real confidence , no games , no bullshit ... for once a real guy has the balls to tell her what he really thinks.

These are the guys women go home with every night.

No amogs, no negging just a guy who says what he thinks without neediness.

It will do so much for your own self worth, confidence and self esteem to make people feel good about themselves by giving genuine compliments (in a non needy way) than by dishing out negs to every girl you talk to !

peace
Author:  MynameisFisher [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:47 am ]
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Quote:
I cant for the life of me see how negging is going to do anything but piss people off. Girls are not stupid, if you start talking to them randomly they will know you like them.
If you say something that insults them most times they will get pissed off and tell other people around them that you are pissing them off.
You would get much better reactions from girls you like by giving them genuine compliments on things you really like about them. Delivered in a non needy way ie not caring what she says.

If she has a great body and that turns you on , go tell her.

If she has a pretty face , go tell her.

This takes real confidence , no games , no bullshit ... for once a real guy has the balls to tell her what he really thinks.

These are the guys women go home with every night.

No amogs, no negging just a guy who says what he thinks without neediness.

It will do so much for your own self worth, confidence and self esteem to make people feel good about themselves by giving genuine compliments (in a non needy way) than by dishing out negs to every girl you talk to !

peace
^This. People misunderstand the concept of a compliment. Generally, compliments are NOT needy, unless they seek attention or validation. However, I like small, playful negs. These are not even negs by definition because what Mystery calls negs is almost exclusively insulting. It's just part of my flirting process to once in a while jokingly make fun of NOT her, but something she just did or said and I found funny.
Author:  hypnopotomus [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:07 pm ]
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Playfully teasing a girl is not negging

Its just flirting

Forget negs and all the other silly geek language for getting girls , it just over complicates a very simple process.

A genuine compliment delivered in a non needy way takes real confidence that women sense in a heart beat.

peace
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