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Author:  Kerosene [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Does any1 know the answer to this?
Hy guys , iv been field testing some of the stuff for about a week and i got tons of questions (and im sure im not the only one to have them , so if you can share some of your experience with this that would be very appreciated)


1)My material and passive 'audience'

I enter a set , open , DHV (all smooth so far , im positive im well received) but i must calibrate and talk less or you become the guy that talks a lot. But when i do it 3 things happen - they just stare at me waiting for me to say something , they start talking about complete BS witch lead nowhere , or they start looking around for something to do(yes that's not good at all).

Q: how do you stay on your material without being labeled as : "the guy that talks a lot".


2)Enthusiastic vs Agitated

Enthusiasm is infectious , and the best way to keep all engaged is to talk enthusiastic. But still.

Q: how can you be enthusiastic about something while keeping it cool (the alpha male) , not the guy on drugs that's too energetic.

3)The personal psychologist issue

I got this only 2 times but that was fucking strange , in separation she started talking about her dreams frustrations and her life story in general ( good moment for rapport right? ) but i noticed in both of the cases they person telling this stuff to you is focused on telling this things for the sake of just telling.

Q: when you get the "chronicles of my life going on" should you fuck it and just leave (im not a licensed psychologist) , or treat it like a sign of trust (usually it's very personal and she can't tell this stuff to anyone) and try to build rapport.

Thanks in advance and c ya in the field :)
Author:  Nullus [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does any1 know the answer to this?
Quote:
Hy guys , iv been field testing some of the stuff for about a week and i got tons of questions (and im sure im not the only one to have them , so if you can share some of your experience with this that would be very appreciated)


1)My material and passive 'audience'

I enter a set , open , DHV (all smooth so far , im positive im well received) but i must calibrate and talk less or you become the guy that talks a lot. But when i do it 3 things happen - they just stare at me waiting for me to say something , they start talking about complete BS witch lead nowhere , or they start looking around for something to do(yes that's not good at all).

Q: how do you stay on your material without being labeled as : "the guy that talks a lot".


2)Enthusiastic vs Agitated

Enthusiasm is infectious , and the best way to keep all engaged is to talk enthusiastic. But still.

Q: how can you be enthusiastic about something while keeping it cool (the alpha male) , not the guy on drugs that's too energetic.

3)The personal psychologist issue

I got this only 2 times but that was fucking strange , in separation she started talking about her dreams frustrations and her life story in general ( good moment for rapport right? ) but i noticed in both of the cases they person telling this stuff to you is focused on telling this things for the sake of just telling.

Q: when you get the "chronicles of my life going on" should you fuck it and just leave (im not a licensed psychologist) , or treat it like a sign of trust (usually it's very personal and she can't tell this stuff to anyone) and try to build rapport.

Thanks in advance and c ya in the field :)
1) Try to make them talk about themselves aka qualifying, building rapport.

2) It's all about voice tonality, you must have a neutral or breaking rapport voice tonality and you wont sound as someone on drugs and creepy. How? Easy, what you dont want is start low pitch and gradually getting higher, that's trying to get rapport tonality. EDIT: http://youtu.be/4VDslvC4_5w check this video, explains it pretty well.

3) This is actually what you want, what you want is the girl to qualify herself, people love to talk about themselves, that's how the girl gets more comfortable with you and also works with people in general, is making them talk about them. You don't want to be the narcissist guy that only talks about himself, learn to listen and you won't only attract histrionic bitches.
Author:  Sharp25 [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does any1 know the answer to this?
Quote:
Hy guys , iv been field testing some of the stuff for about a week and i got tons of questions (and im sure im not the only one to have them , so if you can share some of your experience with this that would be very appreciated)


1)My material and passive 'audience'

I enter a set , open , DHV (all smooth so far , im positive im well received) but i must calibrate and talk less or you become the guy that talks a lot. But when i do it 3 things happen - they just stare at me waiting for me to say something , they start talking about complete BS witch lead nowhere , or they start looking around for something to do(yes that's not good at all).

Q: how do you stay on your material without being labeled as : "the guy that talks a lot".


2)Enthusiastic vs Agitated

Enthusiasm is infectious , and the best way to keep all engaged is to talk enthusiastic. But still.

Q: how can you be enthusiastic about something while keeping it cool (the alpha male) , not the guy on drugs that's too energetic.

3)The personal psychologist issue

I got this only 2 times but that was fucking strange , in separation she started talking about her dreams frustrations and her life story in general ( good moment for rapport right? ) but i noticed in both of the cases they person telling this stuff to you is focused on telling this things for the sake of just telling.

Q: when you get the "chronicles of my life going on" should you fuck it and just leave (im not a licensed psychologist) , or treat it like a sign of trust (usually it's very personal and she can't tell this stuff to anyone) and try to build rapport.

Thanks in advance and c ya in the field :)
1. Ask questions and Nullus said get her to qualify. If she's an accountant, ask why that over finance banking. Why she chose it? Find out if she likes it. If not challenger her on why she still does it. All this talk is meant to open her up so you can deep digger into her personality and have her tell you things on a 1st date she would tell a best friend. That ties into #3, get that deep into her psyche and your chances of getting laid on that date shoot up.

2. I keep a cool, laid back approach. Never be judgmental or she will clam up. Subtlely is key, if I approve of the conversation/flow I maintain eye contact and an interested look. If I disapprove, I will look away for example to show disapproval. All about nonverbal behavior.
Author:  Kerosene [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:19 pm ]
Post subject: 
This actually makes sense , thanks.
I was confused because Mystery or Style's rule "you should never do small talk especially about the carrier and stuff".

I'm gonna try this :

career -> qualifying ->that can be linked with (i read about a survay which states that (her profession goes here) are more attracted to something (some personality trait thing goes here) ->

if she says YES that true->"that's strange dont you think"

if she says NO that's bs ->"im skeptical about survays also but get this I have a friend(specify shes a girl and she has the same profession as the HB ) that used to date a guy and had no clue what she liked about him and he had (that personality trait)"

In both cases if you choose to you can get to a debate what's attractive what's not.
In my experience that's the optimal subject (you can qualify yourself , get her to qualify , go for kino ,get feedback in real time , etc) + thats the one subject that every1 likes.

What do you think of that?
And thx again for the help:) Cheers mates
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