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Author:  Anorthodox [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:01 am ]
Post subject:  Asshole is trying to ruin your game.
How do you get rid of an asshole who is trying to ruin your game?

Okay listen the whole class went to a bar after mid terms. So I was opening a set and talking to this Swedish and as I progressed through the conversation, a guy (the asshole) from my class sticks out his head in front of me saying stuff trying to lower my value in front of my target.
My question is How do I take it from there? If I received IOIs should I just move a bit farther hoping that my target will follow? I did not receive IOIs then what?
How do I get rid of the external threat?

I am really new at this PUA thing. I am in the middle of reading MM Venusian Arts and The Game.
Author:  EVHalen [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Asshole is trying to ruin your game.
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How do you get rid of an asshole who is trying to ruin your game?

Okay listen the whole class went to a bar after mid terms. So I was opening a set and talking to this Swedish and as I progressed through the conversation, a guy (the asshole) from my class sticks out his head in front of me saying stuff trying to lower my value in front of my target.
My question is How do I take it from there? If I received IOIs should I just move a bit farther hoping that my target will follow? I did not receive IOIs then what?
How do I get rid of the external threat?

I am really new at this PUA thing. I am in the middle of reading MM Venusian Arts and The Game.
Use Mystery's trick... ask the asshole if he has a pen on him so you can write something down. When he hands it to you, toss it a few yards away and say "fetch." Bingo, your value is increased, as he chases the pen and crawls on the ground to get it. Look up AMOG stuff.
Author:  tomhung [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:23 am ]
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if he comes up and acts like a jerk and tries to steal your game, just say to the girl "i'll talk to you in a bit", and go and talk to another hot girl nearby. She'll realize the guys an ass and eventually if she's intelligent and come over to you or you can just go back and talk to her later.
Author:  mi1ooo98 [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:01 am ]
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Why are you letting the arsehole lower you value, The only way he can lower your value is if YOU let him lower your value.

You need to build a strong frame of mind and eventually he won't be able to touch you, just be completely up front with the bully "I don't care, i'm trying to have a conversation with (girl's name) I'll talk to you about it when i give a fuck" The only thing the bully will have on your is to physically attack you. If he's only using verbal expressions when you're trying to have a conversation, he shouldn't be able to move you.

Go into the situation with the mindset that nothing the bully says or does will have an effect on you, and he's simply wasting his energy on trying to stop something that's out of his control. This mindset will make it easy to brush him off and make it reality, the girl will see what a loser he really is as he's wasting all his energy on something that's not getting him anywhere. And it will also demonstrate to the girl that mentally, you're a rock, and you can't be moved by any of that crap. She will find this very attractive, she won't find the bully's traits remotely attractive. Use him to your advantage. It'll be easy once you get your head in the right place.
Author:  Anorthodox [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:22 am ]
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Thank you guys. Those are some good advises! I ll be using most of them in the field. I am a quick learner, I just have to do it and be convincing.
Author:  Nullus [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:43 am ]
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I just had a guy in a club to block me when I was speaking with my target, before I could do anything about it, the girl grabbed me to her so we could speak closer, after that the guy starts pushing me on my back. I just turn to the girl and I told her "this guy is really weird". She noded in agreement grabbed her stuff and we moved away, all this by her iniciative, I know I was fortunate, but its normal I have huge amounts of value in this girl's eyes and her social circle... But saying to her that some guy looks weird or creepy while having value to her, it really results in her viewing that guy as a creepy dude. Remember that you must have some value already or this will only look as try hard.
Author:  mi1ooo98 [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:46 am ]
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I wouldn't try and convince the girl that the bully is being weird. You shouldn't be trying to convince her of anything, rather just demonstrate things such as what i said before. But when it gets physical that's an entirely new thing all together.
Author:  Nullus [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:58 am ]
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I wouldn't try and convince the girl that the bully is being weird. You shouldn't be trying to convince her of anything, rather just demonstrate things such as what i said before. But when it gets physical that's an entirely new thing all together.
You arent trying to convince her about anything man. When you said this to a girl she will make a judgement about the guy in her mind, it only works if you already got rapport on her and she just like meet this guy or you are viewed as having higher value. And this really works, I first heard about it from an RSD PUA Tim, I field tested it, works like a charm... and in Tim's situation things didnt even got physical.
Author:  mi1ooo98 [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:02 am ]
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agreed bro, i thought you were suggesting try and tell her that the guy is 'creepy, weird'
Author:  Nullus [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:54 am ]
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agreed bro, i thought you were suggesting try and tell her that the guy is 'creepy, weird'
It works better if you make it a question, like "who's this creepy guy?" or "do you know this creepy guy?". Because then she will know that you actually think he's creepy and you arent trying hard, everything he will do from that point on will be associated with him being creepy.

Another thing that works is considering this attempts as any other shit test given by a woman.

Example: "I bet you have a tiny dick"

You can simply ignore and continue your convo like this never happened, negging the guy with body language like turn his back to him and focusing on the target. Your silence will only make his remark look weird, if you can isolate the target from the place, do it!

if you really feel the need to actually reply, which I dont advise doing, cause this guy doesnt deserve your attention, and you should be investing that time on the girl, say something like this:

Comeback: "You didnt even bought me dinner yet and you are already thinking about my dick. You are not even my type..." and make a sarcastic smile while you are saying it, like this guy shit didnt even touched you.
Author:  Brian Bond [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:31 am ]
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When a guy just breaks into my sets and starts lowering my value, i usually do this:
While he is talking, i lean towards the girl and i wisper in her ear "i know that deep inside he is a sweet teddy bear... he must be having a bad day! Lets be nice to him and smile :)" ... i put my arm around her, i look at him, i smile and i just go "uhm uhm ... awesome!"
The guys usually goes "what did he say?" and i go "nothing man, just keep going, let it all out, it will be good for you" and i smile!
Usually the girl will laugh as soon as i wisper on her ear, he will get annoyed, and she will laugh with the situation.
When he stops talking (this is in case he doesnt leave), i tell him "when youre done talking, take a dreep breath, hold it for 4 seconds and breed out slowly, you will feel much better"
Author:  pumpington [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:02 am ]
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option 1) easier said then done, but the best way by far to handle anyone, is to fucking ignore the shit out of them, I know what you are thinking?, BUT THEN HE DOMINATES BUT THEN... BUT THEN... it is all in your head, if he is pissing you off, you are not ignoring him, if he is making you happy, you are not ignoring him, if you are answering his questions, you are not ignoring him,

ignore him, don't react to anything he does, if he enters the set, you really have about two choices, try to blow him out (just offer a social constraint that would allow for him to exit such as, peace or hey nice to meet you we will talk to you later, or this is not a good time come talk to us later, if he plows through this it is time for the next option), or accept him into the set, no matter what, everything can be handled by not reacting to him at all, he trys to insult you, don't punish him at all, don't have a witty comeback, your witty comeback is, cool man, and ignore him, he disagrees with you on an issue, your witty rebuttle is, I see, and then back to a new topic, focus on the girl not the cock block, if things are getting really bad and you are in rapport with the girl, just ask her, so who is this guy?, if she says I don't know, say do you like him? (this corners her), if she says yes then just eject yourself saying well come see me when you are done with this guy, then go talk to another girl, don't ever punish just withdraw, if you are chatting with the boys having fun reacting being a dick insulting people and qualifying for other people and lowering your value is all fine and dandy, but when your dick is on the line, don't get mad, don't get sad, don't react at all, don't punish, don't supplicate, DONT DO FUCK ALL FOR ANYONE, you lead your emotions not other people keep them under control, don't ask the cockblock questions don't even address him, if he is being really rude address the fact that he is being rude by using the above line on the girl ''so who is this guy/do you know this guy?'' followed by a look that says who the fuck is this retard?

option 2) be a dickhead, this leads to two outcomes, he is dominated and flees the set or gets embarassed, or you end up in a fight, this is why option 1 is the best option, unless you really don't mind fights, to eachs own, so here are some dickhead tactics for you

1)mymic what he says with a stupid voice to re-frame it, then follow up with an insult or negative frame for him to fall into

2)set up a social status roleplay or just place him into a frame that he will have to re-frame to progress if he is reacting to you, for example, HEY MAN THESE ARE MY HOOKERS YOU WANT TO BUY ONE? THEY ARE SUPER CHEAP, YOU LOOK LIKE THE PERFECT CUSTOMER, or LOOK AT THIS STUD HE CAME HERE TO PICK YOU GIRLS UP, WELL HERE IS YOUR SHOT MAN, THESE GIRLS ARE EASY, OK GUYS INTRODUCE YOURSELVES

3)bait and ignore, neg/bust on him just like you would a girl but a bit more harshly, then wait for him to react and keep ignoring as suggested in the first option, continually encourage him to get more angry and to try harder to insult you and react until he blows himself out

4)if he touches you, accuse him of being gay

5)maintain all your focus on not getting angry and reacting, or supplicating to him in a friendly I give up manner such as laughing at his jokes or seeking rapport with him
Author:  Snarg [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:41 pm ]
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Question: what happens if the asshole is actually really nice, but clearly trying to take over?

That tends to be my biggest issue. The guy is so damn nice there's nothing you can do.
Author:  mi1ooo98 [ Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:38 pm ]
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Most of this stuff is still going to work if he's nice. Don't even worry about what he's doing, like the above posts say. Focus on the girl, not him. It's all a mindset thing
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