PUA Forum :: Is going completely honest PUA suicide?

"Honesty is the best Policy"

Well, here's the thing. Honesty is very, very appreciated by women. But, total honesty is what I am talking about here. Sure, we all say white lies from time to time, but to be honest where it counts, is a trait of very few people. And you will find that they do quite well with the opposite sex too.

Truth is, half the time you don't really say what's on your mind because

A - You're thinking what she's going to think, and in turn, over-thinking. Which ruins your chances, when you could've just said what you had to say and leave the whole her side of the thinking process to her, instead of being a Nostradamus about it.

B - You want to come off as someone "cool, mysterious. James Bond type" because you feel that in your current state she won't be attracted to you. Well, here's another honest revelation, women CAN SEE THROUGH men very quickly. She will know that you're putting up an act and she will call you out on it. Killing not only your chances with her, but also serving you a piece of the embarrassment pie.

So, being honest is not wrong. But, first you need to accept your thoughts and your person. Completely.

Women love to hear about the effect they are having on us. If she's cute, if she's dressed in a figure hugging dress, if she's wearing those heels that make her derriere look hot, compliment her about it. She's wearing them because she wants to feel good, and your compliments will help her feel good about it.

But, yeah, the catch is: If you're committing to being honest, go all the way. Doing things half way is worse than not doing them at all.

Good luck,

Don

Author:	bp029 [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:53 am ]
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Would it be a huge turnoff to girls if you walked up to them and said something along the lines of 'I'm really shy and this is difficult for me but I find you beautiful and you have a great vibe so I had to come over here to say hi' Would this ever work? I'm not very cocky/funny with strangers and I'm not a huge fan of canned openers so... I'm guessing this would either really flatter her or turn her off.

Author:	Snake Doctor [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:56 am ]
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If you had really good body language and confidence this would work like a charm. Direct game, works.

Author:	kisserofsinners [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:53 am ]
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2nded from above. I only run honest/direct game. As stated above the key is confidence; stand up straight, practice what you'll say in the bathroom (or somewhere private) until you can say it all without stumbling over your words, and no whining or self deprecating. It also doesn't hurt to practice a "shy" game with random people in your environment. ..."do you think shy is learned or natural?" ...Go into survey game for follow up; this will give you time to learn what to do/say after your opener, without the pressure of the hottie in front of you. This also gives you the image as a socially confidant person. It's hot and will get people more likely to approach you. Go get her! Kisser

Author:	Endooo [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:06 am ]
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Yeah inner game will pilot a line like that.

Author:	Fearless6868 [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:45 pm ]
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i recently conducted an experiment where i was completely honest with woman, although it will usually run very smooth like a charm, i believe it's only going to ruin your chance IF YOU neglect the all that you know from pua and strinctly focus on honesty and straight up game because the game will then change, you will be chasing her, instead of her chasing you. one of the purposes of game is to stand your ground and show the girl, you're clear on what your doing and what you want, however you will not be so easy to acquire, in fact you want to turn the tables. honesty will lead the girl to make all the rules subconciously and lead you along. if your going to be honest make sure you do not i repeat do not neglect all that you know from pua, not to say that honest straight up game does not work, because it most definitely does, depending on how it's said, where it's said and how you appear. if you dress like a bum and say hey your beautiful, you obviously know what kind of answer you may get.

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Author:	Don Draper [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:17 pm ]
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"Honesty is the best Policy" Well, here's the thing. Honesty is very, very appreciated by women. But, total honesty is what I am talking about here. Sure, we all say white lies from time to time, but to be honest where it counts, is a trait of very few people. And you will find that they do quite well with the opposite sex too. Truth is, half the time you don't really say what's on your mind because A - You're thinking what she's going to think, and in turn, over-thinking. Which ruins your chances, when you could've just said what you had to say and leave the whole her side of the thinking process to her, instead of being a Nostradamus about it. B - You want to come off as someone "cool, mysterious. James Bond type" because you feel that in your current state she won't be attracted to you. Well, here's another honest revelation, women CAN SEE THROUGH men very quickly. She will know that you're putting up an act and she will call you out on it. Killing not only your chances with her, but also serving you a piece of the embarrassment pie. So, being honest is not wrong. But, first you need to accept your thoughts and your person. Completely. Women love to hear about the effect they are having on us. If she's cute, if she's dressed in a figure hugging dress, if she's wearing those heels that make her derriere look hot, compliment her about it. She's wearing them because she wants to feel good, and your compliments will help her feel good about it. But, yeah, the catch is: If you're committing to being honest, go all the way. Doing things half way is worse than not doing them at all. Good luck, Don

Author:	Chris2k10 [ Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:05 pm ]
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Quote: "Honesty is the best Policy" Well, here's the thing. Honesty is very, very appreciated by women. But, total honesty is what I am talking about here. Sure, we all say white lies from time to time, but to be honest where it counts, is a trait of very few people. And you will find that they do quite well with the opposite sex too. Truth is, half the time you don't really say what's on your mind because A - You're thinking what she's going to think, and in turn, over-thinking. Which ruins your chances, when you could've just said what you had to say and leave the whole her side of the thinking process to her, instead of being a Nostradamus about it. B - You want to come off as someone "cool, mysterious. James Bond type" because you feel that in your current state she won't be attracted to you. Well, here's another honest revelation, women CAN SEE THROUGH men very quickly. She will know that you're putting up an act and she will call you out on it. Killing not only your chances with her, but also serving you a piece of the embarrassment pie. So, being honest is not wrong. But, first you need to accept your thoughts and your person. Completely. Women love to hear about the effect they are having on us. If she's cute, if she's dressed in a figure hugging dress, if she's wearing those heels that make her derriere look hot, compliment her about it. She's wearing them because she wants to feel good, and your compliments will help her feel good about it. But, yeah, the catch is: If you're committing to being honest, go all the way. Doing things half way is worse than not doing them at all. Good luck, Don Ok ok, very good deliberation here. However, I'd like to add to the whole honesty thing. Sure women LOVE to hear a guy completely come out and honestly say, "Damn you have a great sense of style, you are a turn-on. What are you doing walking around like this, you should be in jail" because let's face it, that's the honest exaggeration that goes through our minds right? Saying that to a woman can be a hit or miss. Instead, it's better to take the middle path like 60 years said in his material. Instead of saying something so over the top even though it's 100% honest and you absolutely don't give a fuck what anyone thinks, it may not be the best and smoothest alternative to go about it. Instead, it's better to say something like, "Hey you looked interesting so I wanted to meet you." It's still direct, but not over-the-top honest. She didn't win you over yet, and it lingers on. "No Tension I know some guys still think this ambiguity is a good thing. It’s better if she is wondering about your intentions, right? Actually, not really. That’s because there is almost no tension when you start a conversation this way. It’s way too comfortable for her right from the start. Most times after your initial comment and subsequent thread runs its course, the interaction fizzles out. On the other hand, using very direct openers (ie. you are absolutely stunning!) can also be hit or miss. As such, I usually choose the middle ground. For example, my favorite way to start a conversation is ”Hey, you looked interesting. I figured I would come over and introduce myself.” This line is delivered seductively but slightly aloof. Yes I want to meet her but I’m not completely won over yet. This opener obviously creates some tension but it’s not so over the top that it’s awkward. It doesn’t box you in. You can still be a challenge and she still has to qualify. In fact, by adding that she “looked interesting” most women will want to stay consistent with that and try to live up to your initial perception of them. In other words, qualify to you." Credit to 60 years of challenge.

Author:	skills360 [ Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:30 pm ]
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Quote: Would it be a huge turnoff to girls if you walked up to them and said something along the lines of 'I'm really shy and this is difficult for me but I find you beautiful and you have a great vibe so I had to come over here to say hi' Would this ever work? I'm not very cocky/funny with strangers and I'm not a huge fan of canned openers so... I'm guessing this would either really flatter her or turn her off. the opener is not that important, there is not such thing as a perfect opener, as long as you go up to the girl and say something, whatever, it does not really matter, you can go up to a girl and say the stupidest shit and hook up... actually even if the girl things that you are weak with your opener, the expectations are low, and all you can do is go up... with that being said there are couple of opener similar to the one you have: you look adorable, so i would regret if i did not come here and say hi...i think sinn hey, we do not know each other, and we do not have any friends in common, i decided to come up here and introduce myself. I think david d/ or may be my own (skills) you look fun, wanted to come over here and introduce myself, 60 yoc openers not that important, is what happens after..

Author:	Ezo [ Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:37 pm ]
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It depends on what you say. I mean telling a girl that you wet your bed and that you are secretly dating her brother would not be advisable. On the other hand telling her that you feel a bit nervous is not a bad thing if you are being honest. Honesty is not PUA suicide, it is called levelling up.

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