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| Author: | skream89 [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:30 pm ] |
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Hi Guys. Me and my friend have watched Mystery Method dvd and read some parts of his book. We discovered this "world" one week ago, and I have to admit, we're AFCs. Last night we went out for the first time with the goal of working on our approach anxiety and practicing A1 (opening) ---> A2 (DHV stories, negs) ---> A3 (isolation, start comfort etc). (I don't want this to sound like a field report, but let me tell you briefly) We were to the first club, 10x10 small room, we went to a free space and leaned on the wall speaking and smiling blablabla while we were checking possible sets (we did 10min rule, more than the 3 second rule lol). Anyway, the whole thing is we were super intimidated because the music was so loud that it wasn't going to be possible to open a three set and have them all listening to me/us. It was also very hard to even distinguish the sets because the room was so full that you couldn't tell if something was a 3set or a 5set. Also, some of the 4sets or 5sets were even "split" themselves, with one or two people a bit further away looking around absent from the group. At the end of our stay in that club, as we went towards the exit to search for another place, I ended up approaching a two set with the "93% girls masturbate in shower / 7% sing" opener, and both girls laughed and i think it was a successful opener, however as they were laughing and "moving" on their chair there was a bit more distance between us three and the volume of the music made it feel impossible to go on and tell any story/etc without leaning over and keeping my "alpha male" posture etc xD, so i left before looking like an AFC xD. Overall the night was a failure as the 3 clubs we went were so f***ing loud that it was impossible to speak and have everyone in a 3set or bigger hearing. Any tips / opinion? |
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| Author: | GoldDust [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:10 pm ] |
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You see, Mystery Method is meant for bars, not loud clubs. You need to be able to talk and they can clearly hear what you are saying. I don't bother using any MM stuff in loud clubs, it will just won't work especially when you need to talk a lot. In clubs, you should focus on dancefloor game and making eye contact there. I usually do that and dance with them for a while, THEN you can take them to sit down and talk a bit. You can go to a sofa or outside in the smoking area. I personally like isolating inside the place and going to sit and talk. Gives you much more of an excuse to get close to each to talk as it's loud. When you're talking, you can just stop and start looking at her lips then her eyes. If she does the same, its on and move in for the kiss. Like I said MM is for quiet bars, forget about it completely in loud clubs. |
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| Author: | skream89 [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:32 pm ] |
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Thanks! feeling kinda relieved now ^^ Can you point me towards other strategies for clubs? I live in a little island of spain and all places are loud clubs. I don't really know dancing / hugely dislike it, i'm more of a rock-metal music guy, can't really see myself dancing shakira/regaeton which is the shit that is played in my country. So yea, would be cool if anyone could tell me other strategies for loud clubs. All i've read so far is to conduct the approachs so it doesn't look like you are going towards them/her for interest, as that immediatly implies she's of higher value than you and lowers your immediate value. Not sure if should follow this rule on loud clubs. Making eye contact and attacking IOIs i'm sure is not going to be problem for me, i'm not shy when i notice a girl likes me, however i'm looking more for a way to attract women, not just "how to attack the one that likes you". Thanks in advance for your help x) |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:15 pm ] |
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Quote: You see, Mystery Method is meant for bars, not loud clubs. You need to be able to talk and they can clearly hear what you are saying.
I don't bother using any MM stuff in loud clubs, it will just won't work especially when you need to talk a lot. In clubs, you should focus on dancefloor game and making eye contact there. I usually do that and dance with them for a while, THEN you can take them to sit down and talk a bit. You can go to a sofa or outside in the smoking area. I personally like isolating inside the place and going to sit and talk. Gives you much more of an excuse to get close to each to talk as it's loud. When you're talking, you can just stop and start looking at her lips then her eyes. If she does the same, its on and move in for the kiss. Like I said MM is for quiet bars, forget about it completely in loud clubs. Exactly mm will not work in a club environment, unless the club has a patio or outside area where the music is not that loud....the best method from the so called gurus may be 60 years of challenge ... i will post the 20 mistakes i have found people make in a loud club environment i am writing a book with step by step instructions on what to do in a club to pick up successfully based of 15 plus years of club experience and picked up hundreds of girls... Mistakes guys make at the club: 1.- Hanging out with too many guys.- I recommend you hang out with a maximum of one other guy. It is better to be alone as women will be less intimidated and may even approach you (This happens to me all the time). If you are going to the club with a group of guy friends make sure that everyone meets at the club in separate cars. The reason you should do this is when you hook up with an hb and your wing or friends don’t they will pressure you to leave early or take them back killing the chances of taking your target home. Make sure that if you do hang out with a guy or group of guys that have no game or do not project higher value, in some instances they may simultaneously lower your own value in the eyes of your target and her friends, guilt by association. Moreover, when there are too many guys it creeps women out, it looks like a pack of ravenous wolves trying to pray on a rabbit. Generally, I prefer to game alone but sometimes I have a wingman that I meet at the club. However, if he is having an off night, or his value is being lowered by too many mistakes, I will move off and game alone. 2.- Parking.- A problem I frequently notice men make is standing stationary in the middle of the dance floor looking for targets. Doing this is creepy and lowers your value. You need to either park outside of the dance floor or you need to be moving through the club. I usually go to a corner or a spot outside of the dance floor and dance, then when they play a good song or I see a girl I like I approach her immediately. 3.- Looking at a girl multiple times: When you make eye contact with a girl, do not break eye contact, just go up to her and say: “How you are going to look at me like that and not say anything, come on lets dance” or better yet do not break eye contact at all and go up to her and dance. Do not stay where you are and stare at her multiple times, that is creepy and/or shows lack of confidence, try to use the 3 second rule, THREE-SECOND RULE—noun: a guideline stating that a woman should be approached within three seconds of first seeing her. It is intended to prevent the man from thinking about the approach too much and getting nervous, as well as to keep him from creeping the woman out by staring at her for too long. Origin: Mystery. 4.- Grabbing or touching when opening: When you INITIALLY approach the girl do not grab her hand or touch her, the only exception to this rule is when they play Latin music, or Latin beats for example Shakira, Ricky Martin, Pit Bull, or Regeton. After you are in the set and pass the social hook point, you should escalate incrementally a little at a time. 5.-Chasing: Do not chase women around. When you are dancing with a girl and she walks away, just act neutral and keep dancing or open another girl or set. Frequently, women will try to shit test you by dancing with another guy; let her do it and do not chase after her: you are the prize. Regardless of how tempted you are to chase after her resist it! Remember: to get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl. As I said women have done this to me ALL THE TIME, and they end up coming back. 6.- Buying girl drinks and flowers: Do not buy girls drinks or flowers. If you have already made out with her and she is into you, then you may decide to go this route. Personally, I would advise against buying drinks or flowers as it establishes her as the prize and not you. If you have made out with her and she is into you, make sure that you buying her a drink is not one of her shit tests. If all three of these things check out and you still have your heart set on buying her a drink, knock yourself out. Never buy her flowers under any circumstances, make your own napkin flowers (I will link some tutorials on how to do this later in the book). Buying drinks too early in the interaction is sending the message I am not good enough for this girl and let me buy you a drink so you can keep hanging out with me both of which come across as too accommodating and needy and will nearly always kill any attraction for you she may be feeling. If a girl asks you to buy her a drink, tell her ”Of course. Do you have 10 dollars?” Most girls do not ask guys to buy a drink especially if they know the guy has game. Usually if a girl is hinting me after we made out that she wants to get a drink what I do is say “Go ahead. I will be right here since some times is a hint that she wants the interaction to be over or she wants to be isolated. If she goes to the bar and she wants me, or gives me indications that she wants me to join her, I go with her but I stay 5 steps back; I will behave as if I have no idea what is going on. I do not look at her, but instead give her my back and keep dancing till she has gotten and pay for the drink at that point she usually comes back to me. 7.- Failure to pick up on hints: Sometimes the girl will move away, stop dancing when you approach, or her friend will Hug her dancing(rescue mechanism). Additionally, her body language may indicate that she/her group of friends want to be left alone. This is normal. No matter how good you get you cannot win them all. The problem that I see is guys staying there like idiots, or who do not get the hints. What is even worse is following them around after they’ve moved on to dance in a different area. If you are with your wing and the girls reject you, by Hug dancing the girl, you can do the same shit with your wing while giving them the back: not only will the girls be embarrassed; it is kind of funny. 8.- Being too aggressive or not being aggressive: You need a balance of push pull. Turn her on, but also pull back a bit, then go back to turning her on then pull back. But do not make the mistake of being all over her to a point that she feels violated. Watch my dancing videos. I will demonstrate the correct way to do this while dancing. Your goal, when dancing, is to escalate as much as possible and to make out with the girl while at the same time seeing to it that the hb is having a really good time. 9.- Failure to engage the group: If she is with a group of men and women, you have to engage the whole group. I do this by dancing with everybody including the guys (no gay shit, but I will grab a hand and jump in back and forth in hip hop/reggae or like friendly bumping with hard core hip hop and hard rock for example, not amoging) or encouraging everybody to dance and high fiving. 10.-Approaching difficult sets: If you see that the girls are overly into themselves or are in their on world rejecting people left and right it is best to avoid. If they are in a committed relationship, or you saw the group and they were into another guy(s), who just went to the bar and is coming back, approach other sets that are not as complicated. With that being said, approach everybody I am just saying that in the choice of difficult sets vs. easy sets, I recommend going with the easier set first. 11. - Fighting- I am a martial artist and speaking from experience, there will be incidents where guys will try to fight you. Girls can be equally crazy wanting to fight because you bumped into each other, or you are trying to dance with their girlfriend. Regardless, do not fight under any circumstances! Not only will it lower your value, you will be banned from the club, the bouncers will beat the crap out of you, then you will get arrested, and pay a bail bond of $5000.00 on top of spending a night in jail. Just ignore them and leave. 12.- Leaning in: No matter how loud the music in the club is, do not lean in to talk to a woman. Your back should be straight as a wall. You must avoid leaning in even if the music is loud. This includes lowering your head. Your head and back should always stay straight when talking. If she wants to talk, cup her ear (so it is not so loud that you two are screaming, and talk), but try not to talk, if you do, remember to avoid leaning in. 13. – Approaching from behind: I do not recommend approaching a woman with her back turned to you, because this is what every other loser does. There is nothing original or unique about this approach. Additionally, she has to turn around to see who is dancing with her, and if you get rejected it will look really bad and lower your value to other potential targets/groups. The exception to the rule is when she has anticipated that you are coming behind her after giving you IOIs. The most common three IOIs she will give are 1) looking at you while fixing her hair 2) proximity to where you are, or 3) bumping you on purpose or subtly. The second exception is booty music with a younger crowd. Remember, in this one your targets age comes into play. 14. - Bumping the girl, or dancing back (her booty) to back (your booty): Shows lack of confidence and again what every other loser does, it may work and some puas do it, but in my style of club game I do not recommend it cause it shows that you are not confident, man enough to come up to them from the front. The exception to the rule is when she has given you IOIs, but again this is not my style. 15. - Asking the girl to dance: Do not ask girls if they want to dance. If they tell you they no do not want to dance do not beg. Worst still is after she has said no, asking her friends to dance. What do you think they are going to say? 16.- Having too much high energy or too low energy: Your energy level has to be slightly higher than the set you are opening, too much high energy and the set will think you are a loony. Low energy you will lose you the set because you are a buzz kill. 17. - Being a Dancing Monkey: I see excellent dancers in Clubs, who can hold the attention of the whole club but do not get any girls. Alternately, if they are with girls, those women will only be their friends. These guys never or hardly ever hook up. Do not be a dancing monkey. From time to time, I will go into the middle of the dance circle or dance flashy to call attention to myself from nearby hot women. Doing this is a DHV. However, I never do this for more than a minute or two. Then I run my regular club game. 18.- Getting too drunk: I do not recommend drinking, if you do drink, drink only enough to loosen up. Heavy or even moderate drinking will fuck up your game, get you into fights, and get you in trouble. Drinking in bars or clubs is also expensive. 19. - Long term memory: You have to be like an NFL quarterback after throwing an interception. Take Brett Favre for example, he is a great quarterback, and when he throws an interception he doesn’t stand around all day and obsess about the negative memory of temporary failure. He moves forward, as should you. You need a short term memory, if you get rejected, or things do not go your way, you need to forget about it IMMEDIATELY, and move on. But you need to go return to a confidence, fun, cool state. Do not over-analyze: what did I do wrong? Why she ditch me? Maybe I am ugly. This includes all that negative shit we put in our heads. You need a strong inner game. Believe it or not the best guru for inner game in my opinion is a Pastor by the name of Joel Osteen. I recommend getting his books, and watching his television shows. 20.- Lack of Calibration: CALIBRATE—verb: to read the verbal and nonverbal responses of a person or group and accurately deduce what they are thinking or feeling at that moment. Origin: Richard Bandler and John Grinder. Let me illustrate with a couple of examples: One time I met a girl that had not gone out to a club in more than 15 years because she was married, and just got out of the relationship. She was struggling financially due to the bad economy, was into me and wanted to take me home. We were having a good time, till she asked me to buy her a drink, I went into pua mode and I said: Do you know who I am? I do not buy girls drinks, they buy me drinks. Then I told her “Go back to your friends, I have to go.” In this example, all I showed he is that I was a jerk off and a cheapskate. When I called her three days later, I got no response, and I guarantee you that night she wanted a SNL. Another example is this one from the pua forum from a member name phagan: "A case in point from tonight - a 3 set. HB7s. I start dancing with one of the chicks, getting closer, closer... making out. Great. We dance for maybe 3-4 minutes, making out a few more times, I make sure to always be the one who breaks it off. She puts her hand under my shirt, she looks at me all seductive... it's on. Then she takes a step back and tells me "dance!", looking at the floor in front of me as if giving me instructions to "dance for her"... so I come closer to her and say "I don't take orders from anyone" and back off a little, still inside her air space, smiling, not angry or anything... just being my cool self, the same self she was making out with 20 seconds earlier. " According to PUA rules/textbook, what he did was to follow his teachings. But as you can tell there is lack of calibration, all he had to do was to dance with the girl seductively, he blew up his chances. |
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| Author: | skream89 [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:58 pm ] |
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Thanks for the tips! any specific strategy(book) i could read to run club game? (that doesnt involve dancing xD) |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:40 pm ] |
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Quote: Thanks for the tips!
any specific strategy(book) i could read to run club game? (that doesnt involve dancing xD) yes! 60 years of challenge, if you do not have the money, while you get the money(you should get that book though) follow the posts of a member by the name of warped mindless... With that being said, by dancing you can escalate quickly, very easy, and faster than doing regular game... |
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| Author: | GoldDust [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:43 pm ] |
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Quote: Quote: Thanks for the tips!
any specific strategy(book) i could read to run club game? (that doesnt involve dancing xD) yes! 60 years of challenge, if you do not have the money, while you get the money(you should get that book though) follow the posts of a member by the name of warped mindless... |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:48 pm ] |
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Gold dust i am reading 60 match my field experiences, the only problem i have with 60 is that he does not agree with being funny, or cocky, or using some answer to shit test, he is not big on texting,he is not big on making out the first time, in those parts i do not agree with him, but for the most part he is right on point... |
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| Author: | GoldDust [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:01 pm ] |
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Which of his books is worth reading for club game? I've jusst checked my folders and Ive got 5: 1. Opening made easy 2. Fearless Relentless Escalation 3. Simply Start Sex 4. Relationship roulette 5. Bonus - Secrets of micro escalation Do I have the right set of books or is there one that i'm missing? |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:19 pm ] |
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Quote: Which of his books is worth reading for club game? I've jusst checked my folders and Ive got 5:
1. Opening made easy 2. Fearless Relentless Escalation 3. Simply Start Sex 4. Relationship roulette 5. Bonus - Secrets of micro escalation Do I have the right set of books or is there one that i'm missing? the right book for club game will be my book(not finished yet), with that being said, right now i am in part 2 fearless relentless escalation, i am not done reading, so far part 1 and 2 match my experiences, as i get farther i will let you know gold dust... Now a book tailor for club game is by this guy, he is ok and a lot of the things he says match my experience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crITPs-V-bE |
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| Author: | GoldDust [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:24 am ] |
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Yeah I've seen nearly all his videos on youtube and they seem to be on point, his book would probably be worth a read. I'm a student so I'm not exactly rolling in cash lol need to save up some for it. |
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