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Author:  Locke [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Several Novice Questions
okay, so I could make a post for each of these...but I think the best way to keep it short and to the point is to roll them all into one.

First thought process and question:
Pickup artists vary in looks. Sometimes they are not good looking (usually the rAFC's) and sometimes they are goodlooking (the ones that are mPUA's seem to have that). I have read and heard several times that a good PUA does not need looks. Well, I can respect that belief, but I think in order to be really well at it, you have to produce some sort of physical attraction. Am I wrong?

In regards to that, what do you PMZ members think about doing things to improve looks; i.e. Braces and surgery. I know a lot of moral beliefs come into play, but I am just wondering to what extent looks don't matter.


Second thought process and question:
Pickup artists are constantly working on things to say, bodylanguage, and stage advancement. Having those (as well as the looks?) make you interesting and will give you an advantage. What do you all think about activities that take place at some locations. i.e. you're at a club. would you spend more time talking and making conversation, or would you go to the dance floor? I look like a kangaroo having a seizure when I dance (I think). Do I or should i get some sort of dance lessons? SHould I just roll with it? or should i just try keeping convo and stage advancement going?


Third (and brief) question. I am currently practicing the guitar. It is kind of off topic of sarging, but it can fit in. What do you think about getting voice lessons and adding singing to the arsenal? Oh, and also....what kind of impression would playing the native american flute produce?
Author:  Qwex [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:53 pm ]
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I'm no MPUA so take what I have to say for what it's worth.

I believe that you should improve off of your natural looks, without surgery and such. I.E. getting a haircut that suits you, dressing good, working out, etc... Looks don't matter, but being good looking can help. 8)

As for the dance-floor. I think the rule is stay away from it unless you can DHV from it by being a good dancer. I find it hard to game on the dance-floor, and believe that is another reason.

Hope the helps for some of your questions.
Author:  Ka [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:19 am ]
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Hey Locke, hopefully i can offer some helpful advice.

In my opinion most of the mPUA's are average looking physically speaking. If i saw Mystery or Style dressed like an average Joe i propably wouldnt think to myself that they were particularly intresting or envey their looks (of course i dont mean watching them game, just looking at em).

The idea is that women do look at us physically, but in a different way. The judge our looks based on how they relate to our personality and habits. Things like good apearence and good body language communicate to them that we have good hygene and possibly good genes. Honestly ask a women what part of the male body they find most attractive...answers will range from hands to shoulders to ass to anything really. Ask a dude and the majority will point out a sexually related part of the womens body (ass/tits/upper legs/face/lips)...no (normal) guy will tell you the most attractive part of a women is her shoulders.

If you want proof walk around the mall or a high population area and look at only hot chicks that are there with guys (like a boyfriend). After a few mins you will see a hot chick with a hideous dude and wonder wtf is going on. Most likely she didnt pick him based on looks, which is a good sign. Guys pick women based on looks almost more then anything else, women are willing to put looks on the back burner for a guy with better social qualities (including survivability, which now focuses around money really).

I personally dont advocate hardcore surgeries like reshaping your face or anything but things like tanning and hair removal i think are reasonable ideas. I personally have not done either as money and travel are an issue for me currently.

The act of dancing itself is a DHV, my cousin who is a natural looks like a retarded baboon when he dances and girls love it just because hes confident and doesnt care if people think its goofy, because hes not even serious about it.

Lessons couldnt hurt, they are also something i am considering but have the same obsticles as stated above.

As for guitar, ANYTHING you do to expand on the person you are will be helpful. Be it dancing, playing music, being active or passionate about a topic, sports, etc. The more well rounded you are the easier it will be for you to fit into any situation.

I too started guitar lessons and plan to continue, while people who know me would say i cannot sing i think everyone can, they just need to discover their voice and style. I eventually want to be at the point were i can bring a women home, sit her down if she notices the guitar (stratigically placed), and sing a song to her as i play it. Huge DHV.

Hope these help man.
Author:  Locke [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:16 am ]
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As always Ka, it does. And I see why you got to PMZ so quick ;)

I never really condone plastic surgery...because of the fact that it makes you (likethe name states) plastic. I have never been one to enjoy being fake or enjoy being around people who are fake. I have loosed up and am a lot easier going now...but I don't think surgery is a choice for me. It just happened to pass through my head and I wanted to get a reassurance in the fact that I shouldn't.

You are also right about the physical feature thing. Last girl I was with said her favorite quality on a guy was their ankles. I was like, WTF? Lemme see your ass. haha

I am seriously considering braces though; the only thing is it is a huge financial step and it will pretty much put me out of the game for a year. Already got a consultation. They said about a year, and 5500. UGH!

I found some studios that teach hip hop and breakdancing. I most likely will skip lessons and do what most do - go out, look like an ass, and steal other peoples moves. Cause you are right, no matter how they look, i always see people on the dance floor as hV'd in that aspect. But maybe i will take swing lessons (just cause I have always wanted to).

I also found some places that offer guitar and vocal lessons - about 25 bucks 1/2 hour. Sounds pretty reasonable. I might start one or the other.

You think guitar is easily self teachable? (well, easier than voice or other instruments?)
Author:  Qwex [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:08 am ]
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Yes, the guitar is self-teachable, that's why it is so popular. :) They are cheap and fairly easy to get a decent sound. Just google guitar tabs and it you'll be playing a song fairly quick. :D
Author:  JSmooth [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:15 am ]
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Good Advice KA! 8)
Author:  Ka [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:27 am ]
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Also, in the distant future, i will probably do something about my teeth. I think that is reasonable to do braces and want to have better looking teeth...over the top with teeth is when you start having them whitened like crazy or your gums burnt higher so your teeth look bigger.

As far as guitar goes, i consider myself intelligent, a quick learner, a hands on type of person, and musically inclined...however i dont think i could teach myself guitar without a serious dedication and a serious neglect of other intrests.

Simply put, if it was really easy (when someone tells you something is easy, thats not gonna help you...Physics was EASY for Einstein) then everyone would be great at it and be able to do it.

Is it learnable? YES! Could you learn yourself? SURE! Would it be easier and quicker with instruction and guidence?...

So in my opinion Locke, reach for the stars, or at least as far as your pockets will let you. If fixing your grill will set you back a year....think of it this way, it will be a year now or a year later...so its not a matter if you do it now or later because of the time investment. Otherwise invest in expanding on your intrests and complete yourself as a person.

Im glad you apreciate my advice, i try to be as clear, detailed, and genuine as possible. Thanks.
Author:  Locke [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:52 am ]
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yep yep, living up to some goals and being adventurous along the way. thats what i am about.

personal question: how much time do you think you invest weekly into the research (non-field) PUA stuff? I want to start applying myself and i need to stop procrastinating. but i don't feel like I have anything organized or planned yet. read a book and some more posts then head out?

I have been hovering in the noob zone for too long. I feel like I havnt even made any progress in my attempts; I still have inner game things I have to work on, I have a very vague idea of stage development, i have no stories, and no outer game.....the only this i really do have is a good taste in attire and a great personality ;)

OVERWHELMED!
Author:  Ka [ Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:19 am ]
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Honestly i spend more time studying PUA then actually exercising what i learned. I have 2 excuses...

-I cant drive, so its hard to get out
-I spent years destroying my social ties and only the last 2 months rebuilding them

However i am at the point now were im going out every weekend more and more, and am also at the point were i typically am planning 2 weeks in advance now for social get togethers and such.

Ideally, given that you are able, try and sarge a few times a week. The studying we do is important, however if you study too much you will never exercise much of what you read and it will not help you grow.

As far as your game goes, make everything a story. The most mundane details about you are only mundane because you allow them to be.

Target: "Were do you work?"

AFC: "I work in a warehouse."
PUA: "Im an ass model, Im a Disposable lighter repair man, Im trainign to be an Astronuat."

PUA+: One, maybe 2 C & F responses...then, "Well honestly, like 2 years ago i got kicked out of my parents house. Luckily i had some good friends in good places. They all gave me odd jobs, some computer work here, warehouse work, house sitting, buisness planning...like everything you can imagine. One of them owns a Orthopedics manufacturing buisness and gave me a position there. Another i am currently looking into buying a buisness with."

What i wrote is all true. I work in a warehouse and am currently looking at buying a buisness with a friend. However it is much more intresting for me to start back in time and progressivly work my way towards answering their question, then it is to simply tell them or just be C&F.

Start out by taking the typical questions people will ask you and develope stories around them. Try to remain on course with the truth but feel free to elaborate. I feel that as long as the bulk of it is truthful it will sound much better, and you face no risk of contradicting yourself.

By the way what material (books, ebooks, etc) have you read so far?

Hope this helps tty.
Author:  Locke [ Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:00 am ]
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I read the Game, watched all of Mystery Method DVD, been browsing this forum for a couple months, and I have begun the Venusian Arts Handbook.

I also have a couple books that deal with body language and other stuff...but I tend to find myself (on the little free time I have) playing around online instead of reading or out practicing.

So most PUA's tell true stories with added fictional (BUT FUN!) details; I am sure some like to get creative and start from scratch with their stories too.

Were you recruited to PMZ or did you join it?
Author:  Ka [ Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:56 am ]
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I am a strong beleiver that "canned material" and sometimes "material" in and of itself is great when your starting out. Its meant to automate your vocal communications so that you can work on body language, tone, posture, emotions, etc. Remember that most of what you communicate is not siad in your words.

I think once you start to develop a persona and embody it then you should shift into your own "material", the nice thing about your true stories and such is that when you work on them you are developing your story telling skills which is an important tool.

You will also develop improv skills this way as if someone calls you out on a part of the story or something you will better be able to handle it, or improv and lie on the spot :P

By all means if you have a story that works and isnt really 'true you", use it. Im not saying that all a PUA's stuff should be from the heart so to speak, but it helps turn your outter game in.

If im not mistaken VNH is realativly the same as MM. Id read threw VNH/MM and then hit up Magic Bullets. Body language stuff will probably be useful but you can start simple without the books. Shoulders back, chin "up", walk naturally, make EC and hold it (smile), Smile (dont over do it). Work on those while working on aproaching and working with your material and routines.

As for dealing with your study/sarge ratio...If you find yourself doig something that you logically find counter productive (or the least productive of your options), then correct the behavior.

Are you gonna get women by sitting at the computer studying? Or do you need to go out to do it? Ask yourself what your goal is and then do what best satisfies metting those requirements.

Doc and XFman both posted excellent pattern destroying techniques. In other words ways to get ride of bad behavior and to get yourself doing the proactive thing.

Hope this helps.
Author:  Enchantment [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:25 pm ]
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I'm in a "braces" situation, too, and this was the advice I received here on the forum:
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if i was in your position, i would get the braces, they are going to be uncomfortable and its obviously not wanted by any women, but they usually are only on for about 2-3 years and after that you will have a nice smile for the rest of your life

it was easily the best decision of my life to get braces, i was 16 when i got them, so much more confidence after i got them off, i wasnt worried about my crooked teeth anymore, i got a bleaching kit afterward and now i never have to worry about it again

the 2-3 years will be worth it for the following 10-20 years you will be picking up women
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Agreed get the braces. My mother got them and she's in her 50's.

--Suck it up man! :)
So, throughly convinced, I've got to advise the same. Best of luck to you, Locke.
Author:  that_guy [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:35 am ]
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i would say to invest yur money in braces if u are going to spend money on anything. becuz if u are to become a pua, then u are comfortable with who u are and if u are comfortable then u are gonna show teeth. mite as well have em be good looking. if u like to play the guitar then do so, it will add to yur personality which in turn adds to confidence. i agree with ak on the fact that some women do not always judge men by their looks. u dont have to be hansome to get women. if u dont like to dance then dont dance, its much better to talk to females while they are not in motion anyway. From what i read, u seem to lack confidence. Take a good look at yurself what are the qualities about yurself that makes u walk with yur head up. ITS ALL ABOUT THE CONFIDENCE 8)
Author:  Locke [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:44 am ]
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i would say to invest yur money in braces if u are going to spend money on anything. becuz if u are to become a pua, then u are comfortable with who u are and if u are comfortable then u are gonna show teeth. mite as well have em be good looking. if u like to play the guitar then do so, it will add to yur personality which in turn adds to confidence. i agree with ak on the fact that some women do not always judge men by their looks. u dont have to be hansome to get women. if u dont like to dance then dont dance, its much better to talk to females while they are not in motion anyway. From what i read, u seem to lack confidence. Take a good look at yurself what are the qualities about yurself that makes u walk with yur head up. ITS ALL ABOUT THE CONFIDENCE 8)

Welcome, That Guy. I agree with ya; if you are happy with yourself, others will be happy and interested with you.

It is advice that I have heard from many PUA's. And it is really good to see someone new to the forums be able to give (and already know) the same stuff.

Good luck!
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