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And also I'm a little below average in terms of height and just above average in terms of looks. Is direct really for me? Or should I be getting some eye contact IOIs before attempting direct?

IOI's before you approach are fantastic for direct game, if you're getting them then it means they're interested. In fact if you're getting IOI's before the approach then as far as I'm concerned you should ONLY go direct, you can skip all the mindless dribble that way. My usual direct opener is "Heyy, not trying to be slimy or anything right, but you are absolutely gorgeous! I just had to come talk to you and get to know you". You can pretty much take that anywhere and EVERYONE reacts well to this. In fact the hotter they know they are the better the reaction will be.

You can still go direct without Pre-IOI's, and you can just do it in the exact same way with the exact same opener. It's harder if the girl wasn't previously interested but it shouldn't matter too much. You'll still always get a positive response. She'll either engage in the conversation or thank you politely for the compliment and go back to what she was doing. There's no real rejection involved with it.

So I was reading about direct/indirect game. There were strong arguments for both. Direct is good basically since it takes balls and she knows you're being a man and making it clear from the start that you want her. Indirect is good because if you aren't good looking you'll probably get shut down if you go direct. But what if you go direct and she mentions a boyfriend? How would you ignore that and continue since you already made it clear that you're interested?

And also I'm a little below average in terms of height and just above average in terms of looks. Is direct really for me? Or should I be getting some eye contact IOIs before attempting direct?

I would of thought if you wernt that good looking direct would be better than indirect espically in daygame

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I would of thought if you wernt that good looking direct would be better than indirect espically in daygame

Huh? So you're saying a short fat guy who sits at home and plays starcraft 8 hours a day is gonna have a high success rate going direct and someone like Brad Pitt should waste time feigning disinterest by going indirect? Confusing logic...

Author:	pocket_rockets [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:56 am ]
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So I was reading about direct/indirect game. There were strong arguments for both. Direct is good basically since it takes balls and she knows you're being a man and making it clear from the start that you want her. Indirect is good because if you aren't good looking you'll probably get shut down if you go direct. But what if you go direct and she mentions a boyfriend? How would you ignore that and continue since you already made it clear that you're interested? And also I'm a little below average in terms of height and just above average in terms of looks. Is direct really for me? Or should I be getting some eye contact IOIs before attempting direct?

Author:	SKSpua [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:44 am ]
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"You have a boyfriend? That's awesome. That gives you someone to hang out with when I'm not around."

Author:	thedocta [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:47 am ]
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Quote: And also I'm a little below average in terms of height and just above average in terms of looks. Is direct really for me? Or should I be getting some eye contact IOIs before attempting direct? I think direct game only works on easy prey. There is no reason not to use eye contact and IOS before initiating contact. Use non verbal communication to your advantage before ever opening your mouth if you have the opportunity.

Author:	Rough Operator [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:44 am ]
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There is a time and a place for direct and indirect. Direct definitely works for me as I number closed twice this weekend and I've never really used direct game before. I think they appreciate the balls to go and put it out there and they respect you for it as long as you're not weird about it and you're relaxed and in command of yourself. But anyway, I saw a video of Sasha, and whenever they tell him they have a boyfriend he asks "What's his name?" and if they hesitate you can bust on them for lying, just be playful. I'll also look left and right and then ask "Is he bigger than me or something?" and generally just be fun and good natured about it. Then you can assess whether she actually wants you to continue the interaction or not.

Author:	Tidy [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:56 am ]
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IOI's before you approach are fantastic for direct game, if you're getting them then it means they're interested. In fact if you're getting IOI's before the approach then as far as I'm concerned you should ONLY go direct, you can skip all the mindless dribble that way. My usual direct opener is "Heyy, not trying to be slimy or anything right, but you are absolutely gorgeous! I just had to come talk to you and get to know you". You can pretty much take that anywhere and EVERYONE reacts well to this. In fact the hotter they know they are the better the reaction will be. You can still go direct without Pre-IOI's, and you can just do it in the exact same way with the exact same opener. It's harder if the girl wasn't previously interested but it shouldn't matter too much. You'll still always get a positive response. She'll either engage in the conversation or thank you politely for the compliment and go back to what she was doing. There's no real rejection involved with it.

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Author:	pumpington [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:03 am ]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXEUltZvJKs[/youtube]

Author:	Hakuna [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:06 am ]
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You don't choose between direct/indirect, you should adapt to whatever circumstances present themselves. In general indirect game is used far more often simply because you have plausible deniability in case you get rejected, can retain the girl as a friend and use her to expand your social circle, and/or sublimate her auto-bitch shields in case she puts them on. Direct game is more effective if you have preceding social proof, or if she's under the 75th percentile for how hot the rest of the girls in the venue are. It does indeed show balls; but so many guys try it nowadays (especially with the recent explosion of game literature across the internet) that women are somewhat more desensitized to it. "I have a boyfriend" can serve multiple functions, you have to determine why exactly she said it based on its context. For example She could've said it to shit test you: In which case you should follow the playful/ evasive routines outlined above. Women are compelled by their vaginas to throw hurdles at men with potential Or, she said it to proactively LJBF you: In this case you're better off cutting your losses and moving on or trying to calibrate to fix w/e reason she might have rejected you for. The reason being that getting blown out is NOT the enemy (there are thousands of girls out there); talking to a girl for 30, 40 minutes without it going anywhere or falling into the wayside as a beta orbiter feverishly seeking some back-channel for pussy is the enemy.

Author:	Rough Operator [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:07 am ]
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Lmao! I remember seeing that sketch before, hilarious

Author:	pocket_rockets [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:42 am ]
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I agree with the fact that going direct is riskier and you should probably only really do it when you get signs like IOIs which lower your chances of fail. But let's say I wanna do it anyways, just to try out a new method of approach. Imagine this scenario. lock eyes with her, smile and walk over me: Hey. You have really nice hair. I'd ask my friend to punch me if I didn't come over and say hi at least. her: Haha thanks. me: ... I need to fill that ... with shit that stands out. Don't wanna be saying the usual boring stuff like what's your name, what program are you in, so...what do you do for fun, etc. That's probably just as ineffective as drawing blanks. I was talking to a friend about this earlier. He basically said improve your indirect game first before even trying direct game. I can see his logic, but is that necessarily true? My indirect game sucks cause I tease and neg waaaaaay too much and it gets me nowhere since I end up looking overly cocky, even if I get some initial attraction. Too much push, almost no pull. And I'm aware of that but I fucked it up anyways yesterday by doing that for some reason. I read this sticky about frame control, and how if you truly feel like you're alpha, going direct is the way to go. I guess the key words are "truly feel" in this situation. Obviously I'm not confident enough about my game to "truly feel" alpha, but maybe...fake it till you make it? And I'm talking about applying this shit to girls I meet at club events, socials, parties, that hot girl in class who I haven't talked to, etc. Maybe even random girls around campus if I feel like I'm ready for cold approaches.

Author:	baracuda [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:38 pm ]
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Quote: So I was reading about direct/indirect game. There were strong arguments for both. Direct is good basically since it takes balls and she knows you're being a man and making it clear from the start that you want her. Indirect is good because if you aren't good looking you'll probably get shut down if you go direct. But what if you go direct and she mentions a boyfriend? How would you ignore that and continue since you already made it clear that you're interested? And also I'm a little below average in terms of height and just above average in terms of looks. Is direct really for me? Or should I be getting some eye contact IOIs before attempting direct? I would of thought if you wernt that good looking direct would be better than indirect espically in daygame i always go direct as i dont have to remember routines

Author:	pumpington [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:21 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: I would of thought if you wernt that good looking direct would be better than indirect espically in daygame Huh? So you're saying a short fat guy who sits at home and plays starcraft 8 hours a day is gonna have a high success rate going direct and someone like Brad Pitt should waste time feigning disinterest by going indirect? Confusing logic... you're saying a short fat guy who sits at home and plays starcraft 8 hours a day is going to have a high success rate? do you think it matters if he goes indirect or direct? all of a sudden he has magic powers because he builds some attraction before stating intent? I am assuming by your post you believe indirect means never telegraph interest, success will be based onto the action he takes and discipline he puts into it, you wont have a short fat ugly guy pulling 10s left right and center just because he shows dis-interest and learned MM, that is delusional thinking, someone with low passive value, will have low success either way, women do in fact have physical standards, and looks do in fact matter, as well as basically every other social factor you can throw into the equation, and further more you can show dis-interest/be a challenge while being direct, it is simply being honest with your intentions, you show interest before her because you honestly have interest, you express how you feel, upfront and honestly, as apposed to telling her some cool storys, and putting her down a bit, before expressing how you feel to build attraction and raise her buying temp, the difference is, you get more positive responses from indirect, with more wastes of time (lots more LJBF, way less blowouts) it protects your ego more from rejection, if a girl does not find you attractive, she does not find you attractive, telling her before or after a few IOI's is fairly irrelevant, every now and then an indirect set will go better because it is less evasive and building attraction first is essentially buttering her up before going for the kill, but that is time consuming, when you can just go in for the kill quickly and move on if it is a no, instead of waiting 20 minutes to get the no but we can still be friends because you are cool, it all comes down to personality, is your ego frail and can't handle rejection?, be indirect, you will get less harsh blowouts, if any (assuming your being socially calibrated), your sets will take longer, you will get way less rejection, way more friends, or go direct, find girls that are interested and worth the time to invest in, but get blown out on the way there really is no better, or worse style, just do what suites you

Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:48 pm ]
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Still so many misconceptions about Direct game being peddled as "advice" by people either too scared to try it or unable to perform it correctly! (1) Looks MATTER whether or not you're being direct or indirect. Just not as much as you think. Women are generally more attracted to personality traits such as CONFIDENCE. Also they have (often quite specific) TYPES, which means that I might be a 10 to one girl and a 2 to another. [This favours Direct game, since a confidently delivered Direct opener performs a lot of work in 10 seconds as it builds attraction in those women who would sleep with you, and immediately lets you know that the women that would NEVER sleep with you are not interested without you having to spend 30 minutes talking to them and getting nowhere.] Whether you should go direct or indirect has nothing to do with what you look like - it's all about whether you are comfortable delivering a direct opener in the right way or not, and how you follow up the opener depending on how she takes it. That is, how good your GAME is. (2) Whether a Direct opener would work or not has NOTHING to do with how hot, or how much of a slut, the girl is. In fact, I find that going direct on a 7 or below is actually less effective than on a 9 or 10. This is because an honest and powerful compliment and an upfront statement of intent to a 9 is authentic and congruent - she KNOWS exactly why I've come over to talk to her, and she KNOWS she's hot, so why bother pretending? A 7, on the other hand, might not be able to take a forceful compliment, may think I'm bullshitting her, and may feel more pressure on her than a girl who's often noticed for her looks would feel. I've gone direct on almost every single girl I've slept with over the past year - some of them have slept with a lot of guys, others were relationship girls who'd only slept with 4 or 5 guys ever, and one was even a virgin! There is no correlation between being a "slut" and being receptive towards a direct approach. Furthermore, some of the women found me their ideal "type," but others simply found my confidence so attractive that they dated me despite the fact that they hadn't ever slept with a man of my type before. (3) Direct is no more of a "risk" than Indirect. All that Direct means is you get blown out within 1-2 minutes and Indirect enables you to extend the interaction to maybe 20-30 minutes before the girl politely excuses herself. If you are new to this and want to just practice talking to women, then by all means go indirect so you can gain some experience. However, if you are comfortable talking to women and your aim is to have a sexual relationship of some kind, then being Direct saves you time. The fact remains - some girls will NOT sleep with you! But that's ok, I prefer direct because I'd like to know NOW, so I can spend my valuable time flirting with the girls that actually ARE interested. As to the OP - the boyfriend response is often an an "auto-response" because the girl is a bit taken aback or unsure of the situation, and she's trying to get rid of you rather than face an awkward moment. You can choose to ignore it and keep moving, for example "oh yeah, me too - I won't tell mine if you don't tell yours so anyway..." OR you can make light of it and see whether she's just making it up "oh really - what's his name? / what does he do? / is it a serious thing? / how many months?" etc. What this does is immediately see if she's lying, but it can also find out if it's just a casual thing or maybe she's thinking about leaving him. I've used this method to find out that she wasn't particularly happy and was probably leaving him soon anyway, so I ended up getting a date and she broke up with him the next day!

Author:	magnum45 [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:05 pm ]
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Quote: So I was reading about direct/indirect game. There were strong arguments for both. Direct is good basically since it takes balls and she knows you're being a man and making it clear from the start that you want her. Indirect is good because if you aren't good looking you'll probably get shut down if you go direct. But what if you go direct and she mentions a boyfriend? How would you ignore that and continue since you already made it clear that you're interested? And also I'm a little below average in terms of height and just above average in terms of looks. Is direct really for me? Or should I be getting some eye contact IOIs before attempting direct? Sweeping general statement. There is no right or wrong answer to every situation. But for the I have a boyfriend situation. You should be like that's great for you. Did you think I was hitting on you? Listen to her reply. WAIT FOR IT. The say because I wasn't. Then walk away. That would be awesome and make her fill like shit. She will probably follow you and apologize. Where you can then tell her to buy you a drink to make up for it. Then you find out about her life and her family. Ask her what she does, and all those normal questions. You don't really care, but your being nice to her since you don't want to embarrass her after she totally misjudged you. Walk her out of the club and oops you happen to give her a kiss. Damn that was nice. Maybe I should get your number. Lets have a friendly lunch date. I'm not hitting on you. I just think you are interesting.

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