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The virgin card, DLV, or DHV? :). Get your frame controldown
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Author:  Xtensity [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:27 pm ]
Post subject:  The virgin card, DLV, or DHV? :). Get your frame controldown
Now, most people reading this, it's easy to know what someone would think of that title.

I always was told that if you told girls you were a virgin, your value goes way down for being sexually inexperienced, etc.

Something I've incorporated into my game lately, which I notice has worked phenomenally, is framing myself as very picky with girls because so many girls approach me and I have to blow them off. Chastising girls very frequently, but rewarding them as to get them HOPING that I like them.

I've noticed, this gets me through attraction extremely quickly. After some time in comfort, the topic of sex will come up, virginity and what not. (Since most the girls I am talking to are 17-21, yeah teen bla bla bla, I'm 18).

She'll go on about her first time and shit... then I'll throw out there that I'm actually a virgin because I haven't found someone that I feel worthy of 'giving myself to'(lul). Something along those lines. I'll play it along the frame that I'm super picky and sex is no big deal to me and could mean jack shit.

I've noticed, every girl I have said this too, the last 6 girls, gave major IOIs when I framed it like this. They would be like omg that's so cute, sexy, etc.. It just makes them want me more. At this point, in their eyes I'm the guy who has so many girls approach him, I have to reject them all. How, all these girls are so plain and boring and I want something that's not. PLUS they find out I'm a virgin, now they really want me, badly. They want to be the first of this super picky, very high standards guy whom has self control and is so opposite of shallow that it isn't funny.... and honestly, they more I put on this front that I want a completely no needy girl, it changes me... I can feel myself actually getting turned off the moment a girl doesn't put up a challenge... the moment she jumps through my hoops without second thought. ehh. Acting like an extremely high standards alpha male is changing me into one.

I just thought I'd post this to give some people a bit of insight. It's not really about the content of what you say, rather how you frame it, the idea that you portray behind what you say. Now, I wouldn't say this is true for everything, UNLESS YOU'RE VERY GOOD at frame control. Like, you could get away saying you've never had a girlfriend before... but you better be careful of how you frame it because it can either, A) be an EXTREME DLV, or B) be an EXTREME DHV.

I don't even consider myself a 'good' PUA yet, but I can sure as hell recognize when the things I am doing are working when a girl is 2 moments away from trying to strip me.

Cheers! Hope this bit of insight I had helped open some doors in someones mind who needed it!
Author:  Snake Doctor [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:42 pm ]
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It really depends, if someone looks like an average Joe, have very low social value , no history of girls , and he drop the V- Card. It will be a major DLV. Saying in the best way possible wont help him.

it’s a really different thing when you have lots of girls chasing you, sucking up at you, really high social value, and the girls notice that about you. and when the topic, goes to sex, you tell them you are virgin, because you want something special, you are aiming directly for one characteristics of women, COMPETITION, we all knows girls are competitive among each other, so they want to make part of something special, and of course will boost there ego, to be that special girl that took your virginity away, when there were so many wanting to jump on you but she was the one. Ofc it will be a major DHV.
Author:  Xtensity [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:03 pm ]
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I personally believe that anything physical beyond basic hygiene only matters in a club scene. If you look like the average joe, nothing special about you, might as well look like a high school kid, and you approach a girl in the mall or whatever, or some place other than a club... your looks wont matter much. It's your game that matters.

If you frame yourself as having low social value, or no history of girls, and then drop the v-card, then that's your own fault.

No one has inherently low social value, or inherently high value. It's a social construct and it is impermanent. Your social value is perceived through your actions.

People like to believe social value is something permanent, but it really isn't. Maybe to some extent, but not really. The reason they say this is because most people have a 'set' way of thinking, a way their mind operates, this inturn leads to them saying certain things in a certain way which creates a low social value.

Really, just change your way of thought, the way you frame things, and you can have whatever social value you desire.

You may have a certain 'past', but unless someone knows you personally they will not know your decisions behind each choice you made, or how you acted when making the choice. You can frame almost anything in your life to make you seem very high valued. You just have to think about it.
Author:  Snake Doctor [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:18 pm ]
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People like to believe social value is something permanent, but it really isn't. Maybe to some extent, but not really. The reason they say this is because most people have a 'set' way of thinking, a way their mind operates, this inturn leads to them saying certain things in a certain way which creates a low social value.
People in here dont think like that most of the guys here are trying to wide there social circle and go up on the food chain.

When i talk about the average joe, I wasnt talking about looks I was talking game, sorry for not clearing that up

But I agree with what you said, we have the opportunities to build our social value. But only then you can be sure then you can drop the V bomb and girl will find it sexy, that the only point i was warning.
Author:  Xtensity [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:23 pm ]
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People like to believe social value is something permanent, but it really isn't. Maybe to some extent, but not really. The reason they say this is because most people have a 'set' way of thinking, a way their mind operates, this inturn leads to them saying certain things in a certain way which creates a low social value.
People in here dont think like that most of the guys here are trying to wide there social circle and go up on the food chain.

When i talk about the average joe, I wasnt talking about looks I was talking game, sorry for not clearing that up

But I agree with what you said, we have the opportunities to build our social value. But only then you can be sure then you can drop the V bomb and girl will find it sexy, that the only point i was warning.
I mean, I didn't make this topic to make guys feel like they had to drop the v-bomb haha. I meant like, it's an option out there and you can use it to raise your social value if you're careful. Virgins shouldn't feel obligated to do it.... though I think it would be awkward(for her) to tell a girl you were a virgin after you have sex. Especially if you act like this smooth player while picking her up. Besides, who wants their first time having sex to be some 1-night stand at a club. That would suck, imo atleast.
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