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| Author: | swiftset [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Apparent gap in PUA theory |
According to the theory, puas mimic alpha males. As I understand it, the sequence in short is alpha male approaches set purely for fun (not sex), displays alpha characteristics (one of which is a lack of immediate sexual interest because he gets it all the time, everywhere), females become attracted, alpha gets with selected female. What I'm puzzling over is the jump from stage 3 to 4. Should there not be an intermediate stage where the female attempts to attract the male? If a genuine alpha male was initially disinterested, sexually, why would he suddenly become interested in the target? Obviously, this is not a concern for puas because they are always from the start interested in the target and so the query is to do with the real life situations that pua is based upon. I can't see that twiddling their hair or whatever other signs of interest would turn my attention toward a girl in a sexual sense if my attention was not already that way inclined. Any interesting thoughts? Swiftset |
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| Author: | AmazingArt [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Swift |
Swift that is a interesting perspective you have but it varies from PUA to PUA. Some PUAs just approach a girl with the intent of sleeping with her thus, automatic interest. Some guys just approach to see what the girl is like and based upon that they might be interested in her later on. And also the theory you mentioned is on the contrary. Guys who can approach with immediate sexual interest convey an alpha male characteristic because they show that they are open with their sexuality and don't care what the girl will think of them(that is if they show it verbally or physically). However he will also show her that even though he might be interested for her he still want's to confirm it and then the girl will get on defense and try to qualify herself. Also girls do not have a logical time stage where they become interested in the guy. They can like him now and 2 minutes from now hate him and then in 5 minutes like him again. Whether they like you or not will depends on how you act and feel inside yourself. I had girls who hated me for over 2 months and then slept with me. Girls are really emotional but don't exploit it too much, it can be dangerous. - Amazing Art - |
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| Author: | DJ_Z [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:19 pm ] |
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You just made sex sound so...objective, damn. The problem is that's not always how it works. In fact, more and more guys are going along the lines of directly telling the woman that he is sexually interested in her. The whole "dont care" bit is more a means to keep guys from getting upset if he gets rejected. At the end of the day, my life doesn't drastically change if a woman tells me to go away or refuses to give me her number, so why would I treat it like such an event. The whole alpha thing, also up for debate. As for women going first and trying to get the guy? It happens, but a damn shame of it is that a lot of times guys think that women who are forward with their intentions are sluts. Because hell, if she's so comfortable with it, she must be fucking a lot, right? It's a horrible stance, but it does happen. |
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| Author: | swiftset [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:02 pm ] |
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Generally, girls are less interested in males who are very interested in them and more interested in males who are less interested in them, sexually, because the former implies low value and the latter high value. This is the underlying idea of the mystery method, as I understand it. So, one adopting the mystery method is pretending to be a very high value male who is sexually disinterested in the set at first. Obviously, I'm not querying the process involving the type of alpha male that shows immediate interest, I'm talking about the situation with the type of alpha male that the mystery method is based upon, an alpha who genuinely has no sexual interest in the target when he approaches. According to the theory, why would this high value male become interested in the target 5 minutes after meeting her? |
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| Author: | swiftset [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:09 pm ] |
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"Some guys just approach to see what the girl is like and based upon that they might be interested in her later on" Just re-read this part which gave me the idea that perhaps the pretence is that initially you are disinterested and just talking to the set because you 'want their opinion on something', but then the target's personality genuinely makes you sexually interested where you weren't before. If this is the case then some of these girls must be pretty conceited to fall for the idea that their personality is actually sexually attractive. Then again, if you show enough high value, I doubt they work through the logic, they're just happy to get banged by a high value male. |
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| Author: | jurupa [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Apparent gap in PUA theory |
Quote: What I'm puzzling over is the jump from stage 3 to 4. Should there not be an intermediate stage where the female attempts to attract the male? Using your model it be stage 0: male see girl showing off her body. That is what gets guys to approach in the first had as we find the girl physically attractive and then we approach because we find her attractive. Quote: Generally, girls are less interested in males who are very interested in them and more interested in males who are less interested in them, sexually, because the former implies low value and the latter high value. This is the underlying idea of the mystery method, as I understand it. Be becomes sexually interested as he reveals his interest which where there from the start. The Mystery Method more involves indirect game, hence the reason to why a guy will show sexual interest 5 minutes into the conversation.So, one adopting the mystery method is pretending to be a very high value male who is sexually disinterested in the set at first. Obviously, I'm not querying the process involving the type of alpha male that shows immediate interest, I'm talking about the situation with the type of alpha male that the mystery method is based upon, an alpha who genuinely has no sexual interest in the target when he approaches. According to the theory, why would this high value male become interested in the target 5 minutes after meeting her? Quote: If this is the case then some of these girls must be pretty conceited to fall for the idea that their personality is actually sexually attractive. Personalities can be sexually attractive as well as a total turn off. Ever saw a hot girl only learn what a total bitch she is? I bet it made you less interested in her sexually.@swiftset I think your question is more "Why would an alpha male use indirect game", as that seems to be more what you are asking about than MM. |
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| Author: | pumpington [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Apparent gap in PUA theory |
Quote: According to the theory, puas mimic alpha males. As I understand it, the sequence in short is alpha male approaches set purely for fun (not sex), displays alpha characteristics (one of which is a lack of immediate sexual interest because he gets it all the time, everywhere), females become attracted, alpha gets with selected female.
it is all simply to convey non neediness,What I'm puzzling over is the jump from stage 3 to 4. Should there not be an intermediate stage where the female attempts to attract the male? If a genuine alpha male was initially disinterested, sexually, why would he suddenly become interested in the target? Obviously, this is not a concern for puas because they are always from the start interested in the target and so the query is to do with the real life situations that pua is based upon. I can't see that twiddling their hair or whatever other signs of interest would turn my attention toward a girl in a sexual sense if my attention was not already that way inclined. Any interesting thoughts? Swiftset put your self in the shoes of a girl, girl is pretty, she goes to a bar, lets call her tiffany, it is her 1st time at a bar ever, all the highschool boys are needy little pussies with the exception of about 10% of the male population anyways, tiffany hits up the bar, right away a guy comes and approaches her, a horny drunk 28yr old, OMG SHE IS SO HAPPY, A GUY IS TALKING TO HER, YAY!!, she is really friendly to him, but she thinks he is ugly, and she also doesn't like his shoes, he also won't leave her alone, even after she is getting bored, but she is a girl, she does not have the heart to hurt his ego, so she just puts up with his shit, and it ruins her night, 20 more nights out at the bar with the same experience, all of a sudden, tiffany learned to have a bitch shield (the needy guy's perspective/logic : he is afraid to approach, he gets nervous, he is terrible with women or at least he thinks due to being rejected his whole life, so he drinks and he drinks and he drinks, finally he approaches tiffany, OMG AND SHE LIKES HIM YAY, she is so happy at first to talk to him, so I just keep talking and talking in the hopes he will take her home, but she starts to lose interest, so he trys his hardest to make her laugh and like him, but the more he does the more she stops paying attention, OH WELL, he has invested sooo much energy in approaching, he will just TRY EVEN HARDER TO WIN THIS GIRL BACK OVER!!) this should explain the theory behind false time constraint to you, and breaking rapport, and showing dis-interest, and bitch shield, girls just don't want to let you in and be friendly if they are dealing with some needy stalker who is not going to leave them alone, if they show a little interest pretty much almost everything in the community naturally leads you to some conclusions (this is obviously my opinion) every method in some form teaches you: how to convey that you are not needy/clingy/desperate how to escalate the situation/build tension explains that you need to show interest and 'how' to do it almost all you need to know is, go work on your outer appearance, go work on the skills you possess, go get good at something so you can showcase that talent, the whole value system that MM teaches is to showcase those potential skill sets, who do you think a girl is more likely to call after meeting, the guy who told a cool story about the time, his three buddies asked him for advice, or the principle at law that owns a law firm with 20 lawyers working under him, closing business deals in hong kong, work on your lifestyle, it will help you keep women in your life, once you attract them, Finally if there is just about 1 skillset that allows you to sleep with girls, it is the ability to build and maintain tension/be sexual, once again neediness plays a role in this, if you are needy it is hard to hold tension, because you want to get in the pants, you are on the golum wave length, MY PRECIOUS ME WANTS IT, MY OWN!! MY PRECIOUS!! HSSSSSSS HSSSSSSSSSS, but it is productive to put the idea of you and your target and sex, all in her mind at the same time, without presenting it in a needy way, then you need to strengthen that idea, arouse her, then don't give her what she wants until the tension builds to the point where she just can't fucking handle it anymore |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Apparent gap in PUA theory |
Quote: According to the theory, puas mimic alpha males. As I understand it, the sequence in short is alpha male approaches set purely for fun (not sex), displays alpha characteristics (one of which is a lack of immediate sexual interest because he gets it all the time, everywhere), females become attracted, alpha gets with selected female.
What I'm puzzling over is the jump from stage 3 to 4. Should there not be an intermediate stage where the female attempts to attract the male? If a genuine alpha male was initially disinterested, sexually, why would he suddenly become interested in the target? Obviously, this is not a concern for puas because they are always from the start interested in the target and so the query is to do with the real life situations that pua is based upon. I can't see that twiddling their hair or whatever other signs of interest would turn my attention toward a girl in a sexual sense if my attention was not already that way inclined. Any interesting thoughts? Swiftset I think you are talking mm, when you say alpha does not show immediate sexual interest, and female become attracted, once she is attracted with mm the logic you have upper hand or how he calls it higher value, and with negs you have the upper hand, then you get sexual or whatever and is easier makes sense... There is some truth to that but i like the direct approach, where you go in for fun, but you show your intend and escalate and do some push pull, or eject, that 7 hour stuff is not for me... |
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| Author: | Ezo [ Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:11 pm ] |
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That is called IOI and happens whenever... |
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