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Author:  john101 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Always sending IOI's but bails on first dates
Hey,

Something very annoying keeps happening to me, with every single girl I meet. First I want to point out that I am NOT new to the game, and I have been a student for 3 years now.

Here is the problem I am having: Because of my averagely good looks, i am able to attract women almost instantly, which already gives me tremendous advantage. I complete all the PUA steps, etc, which means I get ALOT of IOI's from my targets. However, whenever I set up a first date, they almost always make up an excuse to not show up.

I am almost certain that I am doing everything right, and these girls always show a lot of interest. But I have no idea why they almost never show up on the first date. For a example: First day in my university class, I get dozens and dozens eye contacts from this girl. I then made sure that she was always the first one to look away. I also made sure that I always had 2+ girls on my sides to hang out with, when she was around. I demonstrated that I have high social values, and I am comfortable around anyone, even starring directly into her eyes when she sits directly infront of me. [Note: I did all that, in that same hour]. I then waited until the class was over, to approach her with: "Look, you just can't keep starring at me this whole time, and not say a word" (with a smile). She then smiled back, and we talked about the class we jsut left for around 5 mins. I then got her number and walked away. I didn't call / text her, because I was busy with these other girls. Next week then comes around, and we meet each other again in that same class. She keeps sending me IOI's again, and I make sure that I remain the alpha male in the class, flirting with every girl in the room, and making sure that she is aware of that. I then tell her that I will give her a phone call the next day, and we will fix up a time and lace to meet (with an authoritative voice). She agrees, etc. Next day comes around, and I give her a call: I crack a small joke, in the beginning to make things more comfortable, and I then say "Look now, I obviously got your number because I find you cute, but I want to know more about you, meaning your personality. Let's meet up tonight or tomorrow, because I will be busy after that. You choose". She then replies with "Ok, but I have a boy friend tho". I reply back with "what does that have to do with me". She then says "Don't worry, it doesn't matter because we can still hang out together". After that, I agree and after she picks what day she wants to meet me (the following day at my house), I close with "Have a nice day Jess". (Note that during the entire convo, she sounded very willing to cooperate). The following day comes along, and I send her a text around 6pm saying: "Look, I won't be home until 9pm, so text me around that time, when you get here", She replies with "okiee". 9:30 pm comes, and she texts me saying "shes not sure if she can come, because her roomate doesnt have the key to get into the house". By that time I was already drunk because we had a small gathering of friends over, and I text back saying "Lol wtf". And the convo ended there... This was last night by the way, and I'm still dazzled by her excuse for not showing up.

Note: This is the not the first. This is the 8th girl that sends IOI's and end up bailing on me for the first date, THIS MONTH.

Please help me out here... I have a good portion of my game together, I jsut get stuck on the first date thinggy. Because for other girls, even after not showing up for the date, they keep sending me IOI's. Something is wrong here.

Someone please explain to me what is going on :(
Author:  pumpington [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:22 pm ]
Post subject: 
ok, this is what is called a flake,

here are some ways to deal with this issue, although the issue can never fully be eliminated,

1)start having sex with girls at the present time you are with them, escalate on them right then and there, get them in attracted state isolate them, attempt close

2)if you have a long time, give them your life story, from childhood till now, tell them some of your insecurities, connect with them on things you probably wouldn't tell anyone else, allow them to reciprocate these stories

3)you select the date, day and what you want to do, im free this day, i would love you to come along (they give yes or no), get them to qualify themselves they will show up, for example (wait you're not one of those flaky girls that won't show up are you?, scale of 1-10 what is the chance you won't show? *she says anything besides 10, say ahhh never mind then*)

4)pick targets that do not have boyfriends (girls are not stupid, most of them don't want to cheat on their boyfriends, and they know being alone with another guy that showed some interest in them is a bad idea, if he has balls and they feel anything for him)

5)find girls that are more physically/emotionally attracted to you



GOOD LUCK
Author:  john101 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:30 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
ok, this is what is called a flake,

here are some ways to deal with this issue, although the issue can never fully be eliminated,

1)start having sex with girls at the present time you are with them, escalate on them right then and there, get them in attracted state isolate them, attempt close

2)if you have a long time, give them your life story, from childhood till now, tell them some of your insecurities, connect with them on things you probably wouldn't tell anyone else, allow them to reciprocate these stories

3)you select the date, day and what you want to do, im free this day, i would love you to come along (they give yes or no), get them to qualify themselves they will show up, for example (wait you're not one of those flaky girls that won't show up are you?, scale of 1-10 what is the chance you won't show? *she says anything besides 10, say ahhh never mind then*)

4)pick targets that do not have boyfriends (girls are not stupid, most of them don't want to cheat on their boyfriends, and they know being alone with another guy that showed some interest in them is a bad idea, if he has balls and they feel anything for him)

5)find girls that are more physically/emotionally attracted to you



GOOD LUCK
Hey man, Thanks for the response.

For:
#2, I have a bad experience with sharing too much emotional information about myself with girls. My character is more of an alpha-male..
#3, I really like that, and I will start using that idea of asking whether or not shes flacky.
#4, I don't believe in the boyfriend theory.. half those girls are just lying when they say they have a boyfriend. Usually an insecure response for her to feel secure~
#5, I don't really understand it

I really want to know if I did/do something wrong before the date. Because it seems like, their moods change like an hour before the date, and they end up not showing up. I am almost 100% sure they will show up, by the sound of their voice, and their body language, but something must be happening right before the date, that changes their mind...

I need a deeper understanding of this first date situation :)
Author:  pumpington [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:41 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Quote:
ok, this is what is called a flake,

here are some ways to deal with this issue, although the issue can never fully be eliminated,

1)start having sex with girls at the present time you are with them, escalate on them right then and there, get them in attracted state isolate them, attempt close

2)if you have a long time, give them your life story, from childhood till now, tell them some of your insecurities, connect with them on things you probably wouldn't tell anyone else, allow them to reciprocate these stories

3)you select the date, day and what you want to do, im free this day, i would love you to come along (they give yes or no), get them to qualify themselves they will show up, for example (wait you're not one of those flaky girls that won't show up are you?, scale of 1-10 what is the chance you won't show? *she says anything besides 10, say ahhh never mind then*)

4)pick targets that do not have boyfriends (girls are not stupid, most of them don't want to cheat on their boyfriends, and they know being alone with another guy that showed some interest in them is a bad idea, if he has balls and they feel anything for him)

5)find girls that are more physically/emotionally attracted to you



GOOD LUCK
Hey man, Thanks for the response.

For:
#2, I have a bad experience with sharing too much emotional information about myself with girls. My character is more of an alpha-male..
#3, I really like that, and I will start using that idea of asking whether or not shes flacky.
#4, I don't believe in the boyfriend theory.. half those girls are just lying when they say they have a boyfriend. Usually an insecure response for her to feel secure~
#5, I don't really understand it

I really want to know if I did/do something wrong before the date. Because it seems like, their moods change like an hour before the date, and they end up not showing up. I am almost 100% sure they will show up, by the sound of their voice, and their body language, but something must be happening right before the date, that changes their mind...

I need a deeper understanding of this first date situation :)
LISTEN, if you are all attraction no comfort, you will get no meets, just buyers remorse, if you are all comfort no attraction, you are welcomed to the friend zone, as for the b/f theory it is true, and if a girl tells you she has a bf, and it is not true, chances are she is seriously not interested in you

#5 what is to not understand? instead of outright rejecting guys, girls prefer the ego boost of having guys chase them and give them validation, if they think you are ugly and unattractive, you get flaked on, pretty simple, if they think you are attractive, but flake, it is most likely due to comfort, usually flaking mostly comes down to comfort and external factors (such as the bf) girls know how emotionally driven they are, and simply will not put themselves in situations with people they are not comfortable with/trust, but if you got a high enough level of comfort, attraction or not, they will either meet you as an interest or a friend, but then external factors can play a role in causing more flakes even when you have the comfort, and also some girls are just flaky in general, all in all, there is no way to fully eliminate flakes, just mitigate them

instead of trusting IOI's trust escalation and isolation, that will tell you a hell of alot more then what comes out of a girls mouth, what she does is sooooo much more important,

if she resists sexual/physical escalation and won't even offer low level compliance, and she will not allow you to isolate, then you have nothing, it is that simple, even if she says, OMG YOU ARE SOOOO HAWT, IF WE BLAH BLAH ID SUCK YOOO DICK BRAH, all of that is just words, and girls are notorious for spewing verbal diarrhea for some ego validation/new orbiters
Author:  john101 [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:57 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
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ok, this is what is called a flake,

here are some ways to deal with this issue, although the issue can never fully be eliminated,

1)start having sex with girls at the present time you are with them, escalate on them right then and there, get them in attracted state isolate them, attempt close

2)if you have a long time, give them your life story, from childhood till now, tell them some of your insecurities, connect with them on things you probably wouldn't tell anyone else, allow them to reciprocate these stories

3)you select the date, day and what you want to do, im free this day, i would love you to come along (they give yes or no), get them to qualify themselves they will show up, for example (wait you're not one of those flaky girls that won't show up are you?, scale of 1-10 what is the chance you won't show? *she says anything besides 10, say ahhh never mind then*)

4)pick targets that do not have boyfriends (girls are not stupid, most of them don't want to cheat on their boyfriends, and they know being alone with another guy that showed some interest in them is a bad idea, if he has balls and they feel anything for him)

5)find girls that are more physically/emotionally attracted to you



GOOD LUCK
Hey man, Thanks for the response.

For:
#2, I have a bad experience with sharing too much emotional information about myself with girls. My character is more of an alpha-male..
#3, I really like that, and I will start using that idea of asking whether or not shes flacky.
#4, I don't believe in the boyfriend theory.. half those girls are just lying when they say they have a boyfriend. Usually an insecure response for her to feel secure~
#5, I don't really understand it

I really want to know if I did/do something wrong before the date. Because it seems like, their moods change like an hour before the date, and they end up not showing up. I am almost 100% sure they will show up, by the sound of their voice, and their body language, but something must be happening right before the date, that changes their mind...

I need a deeper understanding of this first date situation :)
LISTEN, if you are all attraction no comfort, you will get no meets, just buyers remorse, if you are all comfort no attraction, you are welcomed to the friend zone, as for the b/f theory it is true, and if a girl tells you she has a bf, and it is not true, chances are she is seriously not interested in you

#5 what is to not understand? instead of outright rejecting guys, girls prefer the ego boost of having guys chase them and give them validation, if they think you are ugly and unattractive, you get flaked on, pretty simple, if they think you are attractive, but flake, it is most likely due to comfort, usually flaking mostly comes down to comfort and external factors (such as the bf) girls know how emotionally driven they are, and simply will not put themselves in situations with people they are not comfortable with/trust, but if you got a high enough level of comfort, attraction or not, they will either meet you as an interest or a friend, but then external factors can play a role in causing more flakes even when you have the comfort, and also some girls are just flaky in general, all in all, there is no way to fully eliminate flakes, just mitigate them

instead of trusting IOI's trust escalation and isolation, that will tell you a hell of alot more then what comes out of a girls mouth, what she does is sooooo much more important,

if she resists sexual/physical escalation and won't even offer low level compliance, and she will not allow you to isolate, then you have nothing, it is that simple, even if she says, OMG YOU ARE SOOOO HAWT, IF WE BLAH BLAH ID SUCK YOOO DICK BRAH, all of that is just words, and girls are notorious for spewing verbal diarrhea for some ego validation/new orbiters
Yea that makes a lot of sense now......

So what do i tell this girl now? Do I talk about random stories to her, making her more comfortable? Did I loose my chances with her already? Do I need to wait for her to text me?

Whats the next step?
Author:  pumpington [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:21 pm ]
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Whats the next step?
keep trying with her if you want to, always express yourself because you want to, not because you have some sort of better chance, or because someone tells you to

HIT ON GIRLS, RINSE REPEAT, EVENTUALLY GET BETTER AT IT
(key word here being GIRLS with an S)


GOOD LUCK
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