PUA Forum :: Basic success rate

I am reading AFC Daniel's field reports and it seems little depressing that over months he got no kclose or fclose at all.

Thats why I want to ask those that use the direct approach (come up to girl and say "hey, you are cute blabla, we should meet blabla") what your success rate roughly is?

1) How often you actually get the number? (5%? 20%?)
2) When you get the number how often you see the girl again?

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Please do not go by afc daniel's field reports...

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Please do not go by afc daniel's field reports...

I understand his reports is just a log of AFC -> PUA journey

. I am curious what are the typical reactions of girls when you PUA randomly + directly approach them.

The form of my question is strictly practical, I think its important to make it easy to answer so that I get some representative portion of unambiguous opinions

depends on how good looking you are and your body language and sub-communications, walk up full belief, unshakable eye contact, stand tall, no hesitation, preframe, go direct, = high success

walk up, low belief, bad body language, nervous, ugly, no eye contact, slouching, 2 minutes after she caught you checking her out, no preframe, go direct = instant rejection

screens out the wastes of time and you have permission to be yourself and tell the fucking truth, and express yourself all you want, no games, no building attraction, you just built the fucking attraction by being a man not a pussy, the frame is I CHOOSE YOU, you express your desires, and don't hold back, it removes all of a girls power, she can not manipulate you for validation, you don't waste two weeks negging and dhv'ing to find out she is not physically attracted to you, and you got friend zoned

if you realize it or not Daniel has made a fuck load of progress, he is becoming much more confident

the number close rate from being direct is generally lower then from being indirect, but the amount of girls that you actually get somewhere with is higher

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Please do not go by afc daniel's field reports...

I understand his reports is just a log of AFC -> PUA journey

This month has been horrible for me, but in my defense, the clubs are empty i think due to the economy...I usually get 3 girls a night, it has not happen lately, 20 guys per girl, and clubs empty..So a lot stuff come to play.

being honest, i can get 7 to 8 girls out of 10

depends on how good looking you are and your body language and sub-communications, walk up full belief, unshakable eye contact, stand tall, no hesitation, preframe, go direct, = high success

Author:	RealMe [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:19 pm ]
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I am reading AFC Daniel's field reports and it seems little depressing that over months he got no kclose or fclose at all. Thats why I want to ask those that use the direct approach (come up to girl and say "hey, you are cute blabla, we should meet blabla") what your success rate roughly is? 1) How often you actually get the number? (5%? 20%?) 2) When you get the number how often you see the girl again?

Author:	charblad [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:26 pm ]
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I've never done direct except once, and i didnt even get the number lol Direct game is like saying to a girl "i like you, will you like me back?" I think direct is more of you wanna bang a easy girl fast without all the middleman talk, which is why in daniels case it didnt work well because most girls arnt like that. all my opinion though

Author:	pumpington [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:32 pm ]
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depends on how good looking you are and your body language and sub-communications, walk up full belief, unshakable eye contact, stand tall, no hesitation, preframe, go direct, = high success walk up, low belief, bad body language, nervous, ugly, no eye contact, slouching, 2 minutes after she caught you checking her out, no preframe, go direct = instant rejection screens out the wastes of time and you have permission to be yourself and tell the fucking truth, and express yourself all you want, no games, no building attraction, you just built the fucking attraction by being a man not a pussy, the frame is I CHOOSE YOU, you express your desires, and don't hold back, it removes all of a girls power, she can not manipulate you for validation, you don't waste two weeks negging and dhv'ing to find out she is not physically attracted to you, and you got friend zoned if you realize it or not Daniel has made a fuck load of progress, he is becoming much more confident the number close rate from being direct is generally lower then from being indirect, but the amount of girls that you actually get somewhere with is higher

Author:	skills360 [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:52 pm ]
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Quote: I am reading AFC Daniel's field reports and it seems little depressing that over months he got no kclose or fclose at all. Thats why I want to ask those that use the direct approach (come up to girl and say "hey, you are cute blabla, we should meet blabla") what your success rate roughly is? 1) How often you actually get the number? (5%? 20%?) 2) When you get the number how often you see the girl again? Please do not go by afc daniel's field reports...

Author:	khuram [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:57 pm ]
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being honest, i can get 7 to 8 girls out of 10

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Author:	RealMe [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:07 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: I am reading AFC Daniel's field reports and it seems little depressing that over months he got no kclose or fclose at all. Thats why I want to ask those that use the direct approach (come up to girl and say "hey, you are cute blabla, we should meet blabla") what your success rate roughly is? 1) How often you actually get the number? (5%? 20%?) 2) When you get the number how often you see the girl again? Please do not go by afc daniel's field reports... I understand his reports is just a log of AFC -> PUA journey . I am curious what are the typical reactions of girls when you PUA randomly + directly approach them. The form of my question is strictly practical, I think its important to make it easy to answer so that I get some representative portion of unambiguous opinions

Author:	skills360 [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:15 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: I am reading AFC Daniel's field reports and it seems little depressing that over months he got no kclose or fclose at all. Thats why I want to ask those that use the direct approach (come up to girl and say "hey, you are cute blabla, we should meet blabla") what your success rate roughly is? 1) How often you actually get the number? (5%? 20%?) 2) When you get the number how often you see the girl again? Please do not go by afc daniel's field reports... I understand his reports is just a log of AFC -> PUA journey . I am curious what are the typical reactions of girls when you PUA randomly + directly approach them. The form of my question is strictly practical, I think its important to make it easy to answer so that I get some representative portion of unambiguous opinions The question you posted does not really have an answer, it depends, on how you look, you come across, what girls do you approach, what type of game, what pua methood you are following... getting number it is very very easy, some girls give guys numbers just to get rid of them, i do not advise to go for number but i do club game, i advise minimum make out.. For me numbers is a waste of time even after make out if there is no some type of connection and stuff.... Now as a beginner go for numbers and call them, the most important part is for you to get experience, so fail as much as possible, with time you will get better and better and better, and then set backs, and then get back up... Also if you go for numbers, my opinion, is not to call them and do text game, that is my style. Some people disagree, but with texting, email or whatever, you can think and seduce and come here and get advise... This month has been horrible for me, but in my defense, the clubs are empty i think due to the economy...I usually get 3 girls a night, it has not happen lately, 20 guys per girl, and clubs empty..So a lot stuff come to play.

Author:	RealMe [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:19 pm ]
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Quote: depends on how good looking you are and your body language and sub-communications, walk up full belief, unshakable eye contact, stand tall, no hesitation, preframe, go direct, = high success walk up, low belief, bad body language, nervous, ugly, no eye contact, slouching, 2 minutes after she caught you checking her out, no preframe, go direct = instant rejection screens out the wastes of time and you have permission to be yourself and tell the fucking truth, and express yourself all you want, no games, no building attraction, you just built the fucking attraction by being a man not a pussy, the frame is I CHOOSE YOU, you express your desires, and don't hold back, it removes all of a girls power, she can not manipulate you for validation, you don't waste two weeks negging and dhv'ing to find out she is not physically attracted to you, and you got friend zoned if you realize it or not Daniel has made a fuck load of progress, he is becoming much more confident the number close rate from being direct is generally lower then from being indirect, but the amount of girls that you actually get somewhere with is higher Thanks, I saw some of your comments and I like your style, it all makes sense to me, more then when ppl suggest to ask girl "where did you get this belt of yours?" Anyways, the reason I asked in the first place was to get idea what is realistically possible when approaching random girls. It may very well happen the girl has boyfriend, she feels shitty that day or simply just don't have time or something. Counting these things in it seems logical to assume that success rate of number closing cannot be very high (certainly not 80%).

Author:	RealMe [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:28 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: Please do not go by afc daniel's field reports... I understand his reports is just a log of AFC -> PUA journey . I am curious what are the typical reactions of girls when you PUA randomly + directly approach them. The form of my question is strictly practical, I think its important to make it easy to answer so that I get some representative portion of unambiguous opinions This month has been horrible for me, but in my defense, the clubs are empty i think due to the economy...I usually get 3 girls a night, it has not happen lately, 20 guys per girl, and clubs empty..So a lot stuff come to play. Thanks, that was exactly info I was looking for

Author:	RealMe [ Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:30 pm ]
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Quote: being honest, i can get 7 to 8 girls out of 10 And do you approach completely on random? Or just the ones that will make eye contact with you or something?

Author:	Warped Mindless [ Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:16 am ]
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An in-depth post related to this topic: its-impossible-to-not-get-laid-numbers- ... highlight=

Author:	khuram [ Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:21 am ]
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i approach girls that i feel attracted to. Regardless of whether i am getting approach invitation or not

Author:	ismartguy [ Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:48 am ]
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I can't say how many will give me a number , to drunk to remember. Sorry i never count , for sure. for the other questions: date - from 10 girls that gave me number in club/facebook , maybe i will date half * fclose - one out of ten ... but i think i can get them maybe 2,5 out of 10, but i don't like fxxx girls i don't like (ugly, depressed,etc) * I don't go with the crowd. The most stupid thing you can do is to go to the girl that give her number to each guy that came and ask for it. Easy to spot: they dance alone, no friends around ... If you think they look some for someone and because you read on this forum some magic words, and you dress well.. you can fuck/have with them... you in a deep shit. The best option is to go for the girls, others guys can't have. Those that reject each AFC that come with a line and ask for a phone number.

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:48 pm ]
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Quote: depends on how good looking you are and your body language and sub-communications, walk up full belief, unshakable eye contact, stand tall, no hesitation, preframe, go direct, = high success ^ This. I'm awful at direct. Maybe 1 in 20... If that.

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Author:	Dragula [ Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:13 pm ]
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Article by 60 years of challenge: What's your "Magic Number"? The Magic Number I am sure a person in sales would be offended if you told him that what he does is just a numbers game. Sales, as in seduction is both a numbers game and a skill. What is a magic number A magic number is how many women you have to contact before you find one who has interest in you based solely on your presence. Attractive Presence / 1st Impression - confident approach - confident body language & posture - confident eye contact - looks: clothes, grooming, body - smile, vibe, glow What is your magic number A guy with no confidence, bad posture and no style and could have a magic number as high as 100. Meaning he would have contact 100 women to get one good lead. This is an extreme example but still even with a few minor tweaks to his presence he could easily reduce that number to 1 in 50. Why its good to know your magic number What if you knew with 100% certainty that if you approached ten women you would go home with one of them. I think you would be really excited to start approaching ten women. Having a magic number is helpful because no matter what happens with the other women you approach you know that once you reach your magic number you will have one really good lead. Because you have the seduction skills to turn good leads into closes this is really good news. This makes any rejection you get while working up to your magic number irrelevant. It’s important to keep good records so you can figure out your magic number. Once you have your magic number you can work on reducing it. You do this by improving your overall presence and first impression. Reward Rejection Some managers actually reward their sales people with money for every NO that they get. Each NO gets you closer to a yes.