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Author:  TBolt [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:21 am ]
Post subject:  Dealing with massive AMOG group
So I was at that boring student party. Only some sluts and some boring girls, and loads of guys. Rather late, a 2F set of hot tiny Russian girls, both HB8, comes in. A friend of mine has a short convo with them in some distance, I do not enter the set as it does not look like he hooked.

3min later, the girls are surrounded by a pack of guys for the rest of the evening, the direct, aggressive type, about 5-7 of them. Looked like a moving dog pile with the fly swarm that moves along.

Let’s assume the girls are just too shy to act nasty to get rid of these drunkards, and they would secretly want to be with someone cool and relaxed. Just being curious – how would you deal with such a situation? Yeah it’s hard, but PUA is not only about low-hanging fruits :)

Background info: from my experience, girls from the east have a tendency to usually not actively ditch men that are loud and dominant. They just remain passive and wait until they go away - even if it takes long.
Author:  0uch [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:27 pm ]
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Be social and have a good time.
Author:  Herne [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:39 pm ]
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slip a small dab of vix into the amongs drinks and then watch the hot chocolate flow from the rear of their pants--takes 20 seconds--dont get caught
Author:  TBolt [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:28 pm ]
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Nah, nothing beats an UZI at that short distance :) But thanks, in case this should ever happen to me, I now know whom to beat up.

C'mon guys, there is no such thing as impossible in our mindset?!

Couple of years ago, when I was a student in a town with a horrific m/f ratio, I've successfully dealt with AMOG groups of up to two or three guys, using a damsel in distress-assumption opener/frame. But those were lame well-educated student geeks and no real challenge.

I'm sure you guys have some hotter techniques in your shelf! Bring on the good stuff...
Author:  Tidy [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:55 pm ]
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Address the issue early.
"Hey look at that group of guys over there. They're acting like idiots."
If they approach later you can just give her a look as if to say "idiots..." and ask if she wants to go somewhere more quiet.
Author:  Chai [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:14 pm ]
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An easy way to disarm AMOG's would be to do this.

PUA walks over to AMOG's.

PUA:"Hey guys, you trying to get this girl to like you aren't you?"

AMOG:"Yeah of course bro !!!"

PUA:"Why do you think that?"

AMOG:"I'm good looking, i'm buillt and ripped and sexy, when I talk to girls,
they know I'm fine, I also have money, a fancy car and a tattoo on my ass!! Women love me!"

PUA then asks the girl "Is that true?"

Girl says "No."

PUA: "You want a drink?"

Girl:"Oh god yes!" (if she's really not interested in the AMOG's then she'll jump
at the first opportunity for someone to get her away from em. When you isolate
her this will also be a good time to build comfort and DHV, although you
probably DHV just by saving her its still a cool time to build comfort
and show her you're not like all the other guys...)


And there you go. Thats the best i can remember from an Adam Lyons podcast,
its really effective if done right.
Author:  magnum45 [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:36 pm ]
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The guy that said call them them idiots has best advice.
Author:  Chai [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:39 pm ]
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What good would calling an AMOG an idiot do? Unless your intentionally trying
to cause shit than yeah i'd so go for that one too...
Author:  Mack 2.0 [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:45 pm ]
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Quote:
An easy way to disarm AMOG's would be to do this.

PUA walks over to AMOG's.

PUA:"Hey guys, you trying to get this girl to like you aren't you?"

AMOG:"Yeah of course bro !!!"

PUA:"Why do you think that?"

AMOG:"I'm good looking, i'm buillt and ripped and sexy, when I talk to girls,
they know I'm fine, I also have money, a fancy car and a tattoo on my ass!! Women love me!"

PUA then asks the girl "Is that true?"

Girl says "No."

PUA: "You want a drink?"

Girl:"Oh god yes!" (if she's really not interested in the AMOG's then she'll jump
at the first opportunity for someone to get her away from em. When you isolate
her this will also be a good time to build comfort and DHV, although you
probably DHV just by saving her its still a cool time to build comfort
and show her you're not like all the other guys...)


And there you go. Thats the best i can remember from an Adam Lyons podcast,
its really effective if done right.
idk, man

i thought this out in about ten potential scenarios,

and each of them ended with a massive ass beating.
Author:  Chai [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:54 pm ]
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Do tell.
Author:  pumpington [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:36 pm ]
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it is not cold approach, it is warm, you have a status, they know this status, they already know if they would fuck you or not, you can run your game as usual, they will either sleep with you or not, there is no do XYZ and ZSDF will happen, this is not how life works, go for what you want, use what ever means possible to achieve your goal, ignore other males, if you do not know these girls, go make a good first impression and get to work

acquire dance moves, disregard females, and profit
Author:  Mack 2.0 [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:15 am ]
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Quote:
Do tell.
i would deck a guy if he walked up and said that to me.
Author:  skills360 [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with massive AMOG group
Quote:
So I was at that boring student party. Only some sluts and some boring girls, and loads of guys. Rather late, a 2F set of hot tiny Russian girls, both HB8, comes in. A friend of mine has a short convo with them in some distance, I do not enter the set as it does not look like he hooked.

3min later, the girls are surrounded by a pack of guys for the rest of the evening, the direct, aggressive type, about 5-7 of them. Looked like a moving dog pile with the fly swarm that moves along.

Let’s assume the girls are just too shy to act nasty to get rid of these drunkards, and they would secretly want to be with someone cool and relaxed. Just being curious – how would you deal with such a situation? Yeah it’s hard, but PUA is not only about low-hanging fruits :)

Background info: from my experience, girls from the east have a tendency to usually not actively ditch men that are loud and dominant. They just remain passive and wait until they go away - even if it takes long.



See the body language of the girl if they are open to be with you take them, i do it all the time... if the girls don't like guys they will diss them or move away i don't what you are talking about.
Author:  Chai [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:29 am ]
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What about if you build up preselction while your in the club and gain
the social proof from the girl? I mean you're practically the most
popular guy and friendly person in the club and it will seem
like everybody knows you, that will demonstrate a
bucket load of high value on you part. You
wouldn't even have to piss of guys in the
process?
Author:  TBolt [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:12 am ]
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Guys, there's lots of good advice in here - thanks for that!

I had some thinking based on your proposals.

What I will take home:
- Testing for IOIs: "Accidentally" walk through that group or close by, dropping a short situation comment while passing, vibing positively, like "geez it's crammed here". Seek for EC and see how the status is. Forget it if no IOIs are thrown
- Wait until two of the betas of the group stand around passive. Open them while standing in a shoulder position to the targets. Validating betas, disqualifying myself and asking opinion/info. "Guys you look like you know the biz here - it's my first time out here - is there any way to get a better beer than the crap they sell officially?" Opinion blah...
- Watch for EC from the shoulder side, return look with a little sleezy smile like we share a secret, assuming we all know that these guys suck, but don't jump into convo with targets
- Integrate alpha guy by asking where they usually hang out or stuff (he's the boss, he's the one for the decision/strategy questions => validation) (he's the boss, I went via the official way of befriending his entourage first => validation). Build SP in the group by talking on eye level with him. He will think that he's increasing his SP this way cuz he gets admired by strangers in front of his friends - good.
- Aim to exchange one or two sentences with targets to build a relation, try to get some personal info to have something to refer to later
- Eject with FTC after a few sentences before the AMOG group mood changes to negative and leave ECing the targets like "see you later"

This should be enough to shake up the group constellation and ruin the AMOGs value and routine. Now wait for group to dissolve.

If that does not happen, but IOIs and EC are still present - go for next level. Still working on that. Options:
- Bounce proposal - risky cuz guys might follow. Use false constraint like posh club (nice shoes are a must), going to a Salsa club (U guys know how to dance Salsa?), LEAVING to a (non-existing) afterhour, inviting the whole group over (NC the girls by giving them MY # - less social pressure for the girls)
- Dancefloor or bar/drink proposal - risky, cuz I try to take over the alpha part, and chief AMOG will go to attack mode, and girls might switch to compliance, and you will have to game them in front of the AMOGs

Maybe I look like a KJ weirdo texting soo much on that... but that stunt got me fascinated. Going for the easy 7 is not my cup of tea at the moment.

I'll take it to the field on the next occasion.
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