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Author:  april6e [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:07 am ]
Post subject:  Reevaluating myself.
Lately I have been sitting back thinking how I've been in and out of learning "game" for 3 years now with no results to show for it whatsoever. I didn't think it was possible to get blown out using every single type of seduction model, but I've somehow done it.

I'm thinking of quitting, but I at least want to finish my last year of college by trying out some things I've always wanted to try.

I know my weaknesses are kino, attraction, and stirring emotion (kinda crippling weaknesses to have playing this game...).

I want to focus on stirring emotions though in this thread. I've never really been funny or energetic, I've always had to try to work around playing off being mysterious (ignoring humor and focusing more on confidence and challenge). But I've noticed that I have trouble causing women to be emotional around me.

Usually it seems in other people's seductions, this emotional rollercoaster is caused by any sort of push and pull (bait/hook, cat string theory, whatever you want to call it). This is always been my weakness, so most of my time was spent focusing on methods that for the most part didn't use it (60YOC, Mode One, etc.) I found slight success, though it practically wasn't "game" at all, more like a numbers game (get denied by hundreds of "yellow light" and "red light" chicks trying to find one "green light" chick that my weak direct game would affect).

I'm finding out recently just how important it is though, as unless she's attracted to you from the start, neglecting to stir her emotions usually leads to a quick failure. Any advice on this?
Author:  Mack 2.0 [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:47 am ]
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advice:

technique is only part of the equation

geniune charisma can not be taught. it has to be "felt".

pua is to help you become the person you know you are.

not to help you learn how to act like someone you are not.
Author:  Florg [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:07 am ]
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It sounds like you need to push out of your comfort zone more to me. If you aren't naturally energetic then maybe try to be overly energetic just to get a feel for it, and improve the aspects that you have trouble in.
Author:  P-Style [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:17 am ]
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It's not necessary to be energetic. Just make the girl sense there's a lot of energy inside you. That can be done through intense eye-contact or a powerful (high energy) engagement in the conversation. It doesn't even require you doing the talking.

Being energetic and having lots of energy isn't the same.
Author:  pumpington [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:15 am ]
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how is your physical appearance?, maybe it is time to get shredded,

disregard females, acquire dance moves!!


try to focus less on the outcome, more on the process, the process of going out and having fun,

if you are going out ''trying to pickup girls'' you will be in saleman mode, you are trying to ''get something'' people can sense this from a mile away, ever have someone come to your door, they have a bunch of bibles, and they are like HEY!! in a friendly voice, HOW ARE YOU??!!, before they even pitch their bible talk on you, you are already in your head thinking FUCK, NOT THIS SHIT, then you let out a dis-interested, no thank you, and close the door

its like that for girls too, they can sense you are ''trying to get something'' you need to offer value before a girl will invest in you, there are plenty of ways to bring value

here are some

good looks, money (represented by your style and what you are driving if she sees it), connections, how many other girls want you
this is your passive value (the value she first sees also one of the most important there is a certain physical line of would fuck and would not fuck that all girls have in their head, altering this line can be difficult if you are below it, if you are above it all you really have to do is bring some value, and don't cock block yourself and get her to invest in you)

social value, this is represented by your dominance, your ability to lead, your confidence, your humor, your body language, how many people seek rapport with you, your ability to calibrate (disinterest for disinterest, interest for interest) your ability to read and follow social cues and recognize social situations and read body language

emotional value how much you offer her positive emotions, how much you can make her laugh/feel good, this is usually done through bring a good energy to the interaction and having strong positive self-talk/sub-communications

people go around over negging all the time, and being negative when they start, because some wizard in the top hat had an advanced theory to lower a persons social value using a negative form of validation, that he understands, but when he gives this great tool to an AFC the AFC, goes fucking crazy OMG IF I JUST RIP ON THIS GIRL FOR 2 HOURS, SHE WILL WANT TO SUCK MY COCK, not the case my friend, the idea is more to give the girl you are gaming the impression that when you first met her, you perceived her as low value and she won you over, and any form of negative validation also goes with the theory that intermittent rewarding is psychologically more effective then only constant rewarding, (if a person only kisses your ass, their compliments and praise start to hold less weight then a person who occasionally says negative things about you as well, it creates the illusion that the persons compliments are more genuine therefor they have more impact) this is why teasing C+F style is also effective, AFC's usually take this too far as well, being a complete douchebag asshole, is not usually effective,
unless you are really really Derek Zoolander good looking and she has low self esteem

chief even wrote a post related to it in the lounge, soc-psych-amp-pu-overjustification-amp- ... 21096.html


mostly girls will be attracted to the lifestyle and value you can bring them, how much security you hold, physical, emotional, and monetary,

you first bring them value, then you get them to invest in you (qualify themselves/sexually escalate), once a girl has invested alot in you, it is difficult for her to back out (after sex girls get attached, before sex, you are easily disposable) the trick is getting good at bringing value to women, so that they invest,

everyone needs to develop a different game that suits them, for example, trying to focus on being a challenge/being disinterested and mysterious, for that kind of game to work, you would first need to project a shit ton of value, (mystery does this by being tall and good looking and focusing on social value, he first perceives the girl as low social value, and actively convinces her he is disinterested, when she throws ioi's in an attempt to get the MM practitioner to validate her (return the ioi's) the MM practitioner instead qualifys her forcing investment while physically escalating , the girl invests and receives positive validation for her investment and the challenging high social value, high passive value male, becomes a top pickup artist and famous for it, because she slowly wins the challenging mysterious man over, with his fuzzy top hat and unique personality, (that now every 2nd guy in America over 18yrs old is trying to copy), she finally wins him over, they vibe and get comfortable with each other, an emotional connection is formed, the go off alone into the sun, to fuck in the back of a car, THEE END

if you are not projecting a high amount of social value/good enough level of passive value this kind of game might be tricky to pull off

if you have almost no value, but you just walk up with high energy, and go direct, a girl just assesses your passive value, gives you the red light or the green light, much less game required, you can force her to invest or piss off, much sooner, NOOO TIME IS WASTED!! HURRAY,

you see if you project high amount of social value/emotional value, but have very low passive value, there is a tendency, for a girl to keep you around for validation, be it from you or from her friends, she might even keep you as a boyfriend but not sleep with you, but more then likely you get to be an orbiter/friend/entertainer, that she can look at her friend and say, HEY BECKY LOOK AT THIS HIGH VALUE GUY THAT IS CHASING ME, ID NEVER GET WITH HIM, HE IS REJECTED, girls are afc value takers, just as much as guys are afc value takers, learn to recognize a value taker, and become indifferent to their games/ploys at attention seeking, if a girl likes you, and you are confident enough to lead and escalate, you should be able to pull off at the very least foreplay within 3 days

WELCOME TO THE GAME OF LIFE
Author:  april6e [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:06 pm ]
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Quote:
advice:

technique is only part of the equation

geniune charisma can not be taught. it has to be "felt".

pua is to help you become the person you know you are.

not to help you learn how to act like someone you are not.
So I've noticed... that's why I'm asking about how to stir emotion. Any concept I use is pointless without it and kino.


Pumpington, I've have noticed that lately; of late, I've been just practicing natural game and like you mentioned, it isn't going well at all because playing off the "mysterious" vibe doesn't go so well if you have no value.

But high energy approaches aka using push and pull and banter not only is my weakness, but isn't even my personality at all. I always feel completely fake bantering, as I'm not interested in dancing around what I want.

Sigh, I wish I could wave a magic wand and poof, I'd have a hobby that I'm good at and love so that I'd have something that adds value to my life. But I don't. I don't particularly have anything I'm skilled at, and I have no real interests. Hmm... this is going to be a tough year.
Author:  P-Style [ Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:51 pm ]
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push pull isn't high energy. It's about not having consistency in your emotions. At one time you're into her, giving her value then all of the sudden you totally switch up and be cold and heartless. That can be done while being calm aswell. You are focussing too much on what you don't have instead of what you do have.

Edit: to me it seems you lack persistance and the will to change things. f.e. You say you lack energy. Well, the solution to that problem is easy: don't be a whiney little bitch and start exuding energy.
You say you don't have a life. Well get one than. Do some acting classes. It'll help your gamingskills by the tons aswell.
You're counting down the days till the end of the year. Stop counting and start filling the time in.
Author:  pumpington [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:30 am ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
Quote:
advice:

technique is only part of the equation

geniune charisma can not be taught. it has to be "felt".

pua is to help you become the person you know you are.

not to help you learn how to act like someone you are not.
So I've noticed... that's why I'm asking about how to stir emotion. Any concept I use is pointless without it and kino.


Pumpington, I've have noticed that lately; of late, I've been just practicing natural game and like you mentioned, it isn't going well at all because playing off the "mysterious" vibe doesn't go so well if you have no value.

But high energy approaches aka using push and pull and banter not only is my weakness, but isn't even my personality at all. I always feel completely fake bantering, as I'm not interested in dancing around what I want.

Sigh, I wish I could wave a magic wand and poof, I'd have a hobby that I'm good at and love so that I'd have something that adds value to my life. But I don't. I don't particularly have anything I'm skilled at, and I have no real interests. Hmm... this is going to be a tough year.
just start going direct, and approaching in the daytime playing big numbers, it is like SHIT TONS of alot easier, and when you have 2 girls that's more then enough, fucking managing more then 1 girl is hard work, just walk up, say what is on your mind, tell them/show them in some way you are interested (here's a funny fact they already know anyways), find out some things about them that are relevant to what you want to know, i.e. if they are cool, do they like what you like, do they live close to you or in the city, are they single, do they have a sense of humour that matches yours (figure this one out by making a joke, if you don't have a sense of humour that is fine), eventually you will just seriously not give a fuck about rejection, it just doesn't even matter at all, just another waste of time weeded out and you can get onto the next cute girl that passes you by in the next minute (assuming your in high girl traffic area), why the fuck do you want to learn to be someone else, to ''lower the amount of rejections'' when you can just de-sensitize yourself to them, and be yourself, if you use routines are start acting to get girls, the girls that you do get, you will grow to resent, and the girls will also lose interest once they realize that you were all just acting, if the goal is to get hb10s there is no ''EXTRA'' game required, the only difference between a hb10, and a hb3, is the 10 will most likely (assuming your 10 is a socially/universally accepted generic model type) get more attention, have more guys kissing her ass, and be more popular, they both get horny for guys, you are as attractive as you are attractive, a 10 will find you just as attractive as a 3, the 3 just might take less value/investment, because she is desperate and no guy has tried to fuck her in a year, while the 10 has a new retard trying to say, so how are you, look at that weather, every day
Author:  jstunna [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:12 am ]
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You my friend really need to work on your inner game. If you do not find yourself attractive women will not find you attractive. I would start by every morning waking up looking in the mirror and saying "april6e, you are the sexiest man on the planet, just look at your ________" and start listing off things you find attractive about yourself. If you not comfortable in your own skin then people cannot be comfortable around you. This applies to everyone not just women.

If you are in college you obviously have an interest in something that you are willing to make a career out of. If not you are wasting your time and money. So take the passion for your career and translate it to PU. All it requires is your personality. Just like your career... before you can be the big man on campus you have to a bunch of homework and take a bunch of tests. No different in PU.... the only to get better is to get out there and try things and see what works. DARE TO BE DIFFERENT!!!!
Author:  ProfessorX [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:24 pm ]
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Ditch all the PUA techniques, most of them are BS anyway. Women do not work like video games. You're never going to hypnotize a woman into sleeping with you by negging her and running "the cube".

Work on having the attitude of a sexually confident Man who can take care of his shit and you'll get much farther with women and in life.
Author:  magnum45 [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:53 pm ]
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Don't be so negative. You can do it. Change your mindset to a more positive outlook. If you say you are going to fail then you will. I know it's hard to comprehend, but just stop doubting yourself and your interaction with women. Have fun, and when the pain comes talk yourself through it by being positive. And telling yourself everything will be okay.
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