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Author:  RonnyC [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  How to deal with your competitors in the field
Last night, I tried something very new. I did not go around to talk to girls, then negged, pulled and pushed, teased and played games till got a number close. I tried to a new game plan by sticking with one HB10 and seeing the night through with her. The main reason for this I don't have AA anymore and what I need is learn how to move from building a rapport to escalating to sexual attraction. I am pretty weak at this.

Unfortunately, I didn't settle down with a HB10 but a HB7.5 instead. I called her italian parma ham. She was a great challenge to me because I couldn't read if she liked me or not til a very very last moment, pretty much at the end of party. When I tried to kiss you, she turned her face away from me. I knew I lost my game so badly. Well, a great learning again.

Two key things I learn last night: 1.) When you haven't built a rapport with your target, do not being too sarcastic to other PUAs who try to compete with you because it would show a bad impression to your target. I held guard against other PUAs when they came to talk the girl out of me. I was too obvious and my target put up with a serious face to judge me being too negative. 2.) If your target refuses to play 3 mice game, the cube or games like that, I think it's a sign she is not interested.

Please correct me if you think they are not correct.

Here are my questions:

1.) How to judge if the girl is interested in you or not? I have read through the IOI's list for a couple of times. I thought Italian parma ham was interested in me because we talked for the whole night, she laughed at my jokes, "high five" me when I won some silly competitions like guess where I am coming, what study I have finished, negged her by telling her that I want to adopt her as a sister and then hugged her, she hugged back with her head leaned on my shoulder. I thought it was a real deal but it wasn't. Hence what I misinterpreted then?

2.) How to deal with your competitors?
Scenario 1, when I was flirting with parma ham, two guys who were working in a group came up and butted in our conservation. One short guy isolated me from my target by talking shit to me, the other one straight in and talked to my target. Good trick! I got no choice but had to entertain the short f!ck. I overheard the other guy's chat with my target by playing some sort of guessing game . Yo, another PUA, but a crap one. Thank god, he could not hold on the conversation because somewhere along the line parma ham was not interested in talking to him. I didn't know why she suddenly stopped talking to him. May be his look and something else. I wish I could find out.
Scenario 2, A guy whose parma ham had previously met before me came in and interrupted our conversation. Once again I stopped and waited them til they finished but it was bad because I looked isolated and odd. The guy obviously wanted to flirt with her and pretty much ignored me. The only trick I know so far by asking this question "What is going on?" and trying to get involved again.
Author:  kaala [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:37 pm ]
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competing with other men? i dont. why do i chase the pussy with tons of other men? just gets you in trouble. there are so many women out there. i there is some guy getting on ur way or trying to test you, just dont make a big deal out of it. concetrate on the girl. ive never had a problem with it, its easy to turn it to ur side. the main rule to remember is to not compete with other men.
Author:  pumpington [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:51 pm ]
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1) escalate, never trust what a girl says, watch what she does, she lets you touch her, thats good, she reciprocates touch thats better, if things look good at all, just man up and go for kiss, you can do it within 5 minutes of meeting means nothing, girls are very forgiving of advances, but very unforgiving of pussies,

2)how to deal with guys, here is a few methods,

A)ignore them, this is my fav method, do not do MM group theory and win them over, simply go up direct and hit on the girls, completely ignore the guys like they don't exist, only time to acknowledge them is if they touch you, just accuse them of being gay, if they are rude still ignore just try to isolate girl away from her with the excuse, this guy is really rude if she likes you more she will go

B)win over the guys 1st and lead them, be the first to lead allways, get the girl to introduce you to her friends, be the first to introduce yourself to them, be the first to comment on them and ask them questions, then once they are in a positive light begin gaming and run the set,

C)AMOG, run a ruthless frame of all the guys around besides you are low value, preframe what they are doing as low value behavior constantly compliance test the guys and set negative frames for them to hop into, if they become reactive to you while you remain nonreactive you seem higher value then them, but sometimes doing so will lower your value and you come off as a giant asshole and get into fights
Author:  Slip n Slide [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How to deal with your competitors in the field
Quote:
\2.) How to deal with your competitors?
Scenario 1, when I was flirting with parma ham, two guys who were working in a group came up and butted in our conservation. One short guy isolated me from my target by talking shit to me, the other one straight in and talked to my target. Good trick! I got no choice but had to entertain the short f!ck. I overheard the other guy's chat with my target by playing some sort of guessing game . Yo, another PUA, but a crap one. Thank god, he could not hold on the conversation because somewhere along the line parma ham was not interested in talking to him. I didn't know why she suddenly stopped talking to him. May be his look and something else. I wish I could find out.
Scenario 2, A guy whose parma ham had previously met before me came in and interrupted our conversation. Once again I stopped and waited them til they finished but it was bad because I looked isolated and odd. The guy obviously wanted to flirt with her and pretty much ignored me. The only trick I know so far by asking this question "What is going on?" and trying to get involved again.
Focusing this post on this section, cause it's important. Deal with other guys the way you deal with shit tests, play them off as funny.

Scenario 1
Talk for a minute with the other guy, let his friend get his opener out of the way. As you do this, observe his friend for a sec. Find something about him, his shirt, some habit, something he says that shows something about him, the same way you would look to neg a girl. At a pause in your conversation, glance over at the other two, and talk to him about it. The first thing you say to him does NOT have to be planned. Its often better spontaneous, when you're in a good state.
For example:
Slip: Yo dude,your shirt! Did you go to Ohio State??
Loser: Uhh yeah man, just graduated.
Slip: Oh nice! Do you know ___? (In this situation its perfectly acceptable to make up names)
Loser: Uh no sorry man.
Slip: Yeah no worries. *to girl, put your arm around her and make eye contact* So whats up with you?

Your goal is to open this guy, test him, ("Nice shirt man, where'd you get it?" if you see its from Walmart) dismiss the test as unimportant when he fails, then forget about him and refocus on the girl.

Scenario 2
Who cares if he wants to talk to you? Of course he doesn't! Talk to him anyway!
Chat him up! About anything, the weather, his job, anything, as long as you keep him talking to you. Make him seem boring as fuck, by asking boring questions, or test him and dismiss him. Either way he'll probably see himself out pretty quickly.
Author:  bansario [ Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How to deal with your competitors in the field
Quote:
Quote:
\2.) How to deal with your competitors?
Scenario 1, when I was flirting with parma ham, two guys who were working in a group came up and butted in our conservation. One short guy isolated me from my target by talking shit to me, the other one straight in and talked to my target. Good trick! I got no choice but had to entertain the short f!ck. I overheard the other guy's chat with my target by playing some sort of guessing game . Yo, another PUA, but a crap one. Thank god, he could not hold on the conversation because somewhere along the line parma ham was not interested in talking to him. I didn't know why she suddenly stopped talking to him. May be his look and something else. I wish I could find out.
Scenario 2, A guy whose parma ham had previously met before me came in and interrupted our conversation. Once again I stopped and waited them til they finished but it was bad because I looked isolated and odd. The guy obviously wanted to flirt with her and pretty much ignored me. The only trick I know so far by asking this question "What is going on?" and trying to get involved again.
Focusing this post on this section, cause it's important. Deal with other guys the way you deal with shit tests, play them off as funny.

Scenario 1
Talk for a minute with the other guy, let his friend get his opener out of the way. As you do this, observe his friend for a sec. Find something about him, his shirt, some habit, something he says that shows something about him, the same way you would look to neg a girl. At a pause in your conversation, glance over at the other two, and talk to him about it. The first thing you say to him does NOT have to be planned. Its often better spontaneous, when you're in a good state.
For example:
Slip: Yo dude,your shirt! Did you go to Ohio State??
Loser: Uhh yeah man, just graduated.
Slip: Oh nice! Do you know ___? (In this situation its perfectly acceptable to make up names)
Loser: Uh no sorry man.
Slip: Yeah no worries. *to girl, put your arm around her and make eye contact* So whats up with you?

Your goal is to open this guy, test him, ("Nice shirt man, where'd you get it?" if you see its from Walmart) dismiss the test as unimportant when he fails, then forget about him and refocus on the girl.

Scenario 2
Who cares if he wants to talk to you? Of course he doesn't! Talk to him anyway!
Chat him up! About anything, the weather, his job, anything, as long as you keep him talking to you. Make him seem boring as fuck, by asking boring questions, or test him and dismiss him. Either way he'll probably see himself out pretty quickly.
Hahaha. Pretty entertaining reading. Good advice too. :)

You make a great point. When dealing with competition, the worst mistake you can make is to actively try to make him look bad in front of the girl. Women see all this crap, and she'll think you're a JERK for making the other guy (the real jerk) look like one.

Good game always pays off. So use it.
Author:  RonnyC [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:29 pm ]
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Thanks for your advice, pumpington and Slip n Slide
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