PUA Forum :: Going Direct Gives the Girl too much credit

all the answers are right. the girl knows ur intentions anyways, not hiding them and being honest about it is what the girl find really attractive. remember, the tat the girl decides from the first several minutes whether or not you gonna have a chance of sleeping with her, so why bother with other indirect bullshit just to find out later shes not into you?

What about in college or when theres other girls in the room youre planning on talking too later? In fact, Im sometimes scared to talk to more than 1-2 sets at the same time because Im scared theyll be like 'wow ... now he's hitting on them... whore' or in college where its a closed environment... word spreads and im scared ill be labeled as 'the guy who randomly goes up to girls and talks to them'

It depends . . .

What kinda guy trolls around town and tells every girl he manages to open that she's beautiful and that he's into her? This isn't a mystery. I'm sure most of us here can watch a movie, follow along, and point out highlights and holes in the plot.

Don't be the hole.

If we go back to the job-interview example, you don't go to the interview saying "HEY, give me the job cause I'm the best...I'm great...look at my resume, it's the Sh*t..."

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you are not getting it. you are describing a guy who is needy as fuck and looking for sex. what youŗe saying is that youre thinking about what shes gonna think about what you gonna tell her. who the fuck cares what she thinks about that? mind ur own business and go for what YOU want. dont hide your desire towards attractive women.
lets say you go to a job interview you really want. do you tell them how much you dont care about the job over the shoulder (being a "mystery"), or you tell them straight up why you like the job and you'd be the best choice for that, you tell them all the great things about urself, but u dont give a shit if you get declined or not, coz there are tons of other jobs like that. dont be something you aint. the interviewer knows exacly that you came there to get the job. the girl knows exacly why you approached her. dont bullshit with the small talk, she knows very well you didnt come to her to talk about weather.

K.

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Technically, you're correct. Which is why I posted, "It depends. . . " You offered a good example with a job interview scenario but this is a poor analogy. You're not trying to apply for a job with a cute girl you just met in the streets are you?

Secondly, you seem to promote honesty(demonstrate your desires), yet you promote a lie(You don't give a shit). If you TRULY didn't give a shit about what the interviewer or the girl thinks about you, why are you even talking to them? Why even approach? Take a picture, go home, and jack off to it instead . . .

Think again . . . you say, "You're hot . . .I like you . . ." then . . ."I don't care what you think about me . . ." - this is a joke.

Plenty members (In my mind, newbies and psychotic old times) here take the "I don't give a fuck" route and this is a poor strategy. Actually, it's not really a strategy at all. This is exactly how most of the World functions . . . which is the very reason why it's pretty easy to pull their strings.

Author:	peel [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:22 am ]
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Ive realized going direct and stating your intentions and saying that you find them attractive (most esp. in day game) puts all your cards on the table and gives them control. It gives them too much credit. I dont know about you but Im not gonna straight up admit a girl is attractive until I know her better. Its an experience though I cringed when I saw this guy do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCQzgEkq4as

Author:	jurupa [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:17 am ]
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You do realize that by approaching them you already told the girl by your body language that you find her attractive right?

Author:	Stand Up [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:28 am ]
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if you asked me two years ago I probably would have agreed with you. But over time I've found that direct honesty is without doubt the most attractive thing you can be to a woman. This doesn't mean saying "you're the most beautiful girl in the world" because that's just as dishonest as telling her your little sister wants to get a tattoo a la mystery method. It does me "Hey how's it going?" (insert her usually semi-awkward reply of "fine" or something else like that) "yeh well, you're pretty cute, was wondering if I could grab a drink with you and have a chat, I'd be a bit mad at myself later on if I didn't at least ask." 9 times out of 10, she'll say "sure" and go from there. And because your cards are on the table she knows you're attracted to her and won't continue the interaction if she doesn't think she could be attracted to you. HONESTY KICKS ASS!!!

Author:	pumpington [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:36 pm ]
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you seem to be sub communicating scarcity, by going direct you are not giving the girl the control, you are actually removing all of her power and control, she is forced to give you a yes or no, your time can not be wasted, she can not manipulate you for materials or emotional validation, she has to just either accept your advance or reject, simple as that, it is a very effective way to screen girls, no more LJBF, its either blowjob or blowout

Author:	kaala [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:40 pm ]
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all the answers are right. the girl knows ur intentions anyways, not hiding them and being honest about it is what the girl find really attractive. remember, the tat the girl decides from the first several minutes whether or not you gonna have a chance of sleeping with her, so why bother with other indirect bullshit just to find out later shes not into you?

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Author:	bansario [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:29 am ]
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Quote: all the answers are right. the girl knows ur intentions anyways, not hiding them and being honest about it is what the girl find really attractive. remember, the tat the girl decides from the first several minutes whether or not you gonna have a chance of sleeping with her, so why bother with other indirect bullshit just to find out later shes not into you? I concur. David Deangelo once said: "When you approach a woman, she already knows that you are interested in her. Dont hide it. Instead, be DAMN good at it. If you do, she won't fight it..."

Author:	kasabi [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:38 am ]
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It depends . . . What kinda guy trolls around town and tells every girl he manages to open that she's beautiful and that he's into her? This isn't a mystery. I'm sure most of us here can watch a movie, follow along, and point out highlights and holes in the plot. Don't be the hole.

Author:	peel [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:04 am ]
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What about in college or when theres other girls in the room youre planning on talking too later? In fact, Im sometimes scared to talk to more than 1-2 sets at the same time because Im scared theyll be like 'wow ... now he's hitting on them... whore' or in college where its a closed environment... word spreads and im scared ill be labeled as 'the guy who randomly goes up to girls and talks to them'

Author:	bansario [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:34 am ]
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Quote: What about in college or when theres other girls in the room youre planning on talking too later? In fact, Im sometimes scared to talk to more than 1-2 sets at the same time because Im scared theyll be like 'wow ... now he's hitting on them... whore' or in college where its a closed environment... word spreads and im scared ill be labeled as 'the guy who randomly goes up to girls and talks to them' If you think that you might approach women in a way that they WONT consider you a "friendly guy who talks to a lot of people" then you might want to sarge outside of school. You can do that till the point you feel your game is good enough to sarge in school without ruining your image...if that's what you're concerned about.

Author:	kaala [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:35 am ]
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Quote: It depends . . . What kinda guy trolls around town and tells every girl he manages to open that she's beautiful and that he's into her? This isn't a mystery. I'm sure most of us here can watch a movie, follow along, and point out highlights and holes in the plot. Don't be the hole. you are not getting it. you are describing a guy who is needy as fuck and looking for sex. what youŗe saying is that youre thinking about what shes gonna think about what you gonna tell her. who the fuck cares what she thinks about that? mind ur own business and go for what YOU want. dont hide your desire towards attractive women. lets say you go to a job interview you really want. do you tell them how much you dont care about the job over the shoulder (being a "mystery"), or you tell them straight up why you like the job and you'd be the best choice for that, you tell them all the great things about urself, but u dont give a shit if you get declined or not, coz there are tons of other jobs like that. dont be something you aint. the interviewer knows exacly that you came there to get the job. the girl knows exacly why you approached her. dont bullshit with the small talk, she knows very well you didnt come to her to talk about weather. K.

Author:	bansario [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:41 am ]
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Kaala is right about being direct and the job interview example is pretty accurate. I should add that in general is not about you expressing your attraction for her, but how you say it. If we go back to the job-interview example, you don't go to the interview saying "HEY, give me the job cause I'm the best...I'm great...look at my resume, it's the Sh*t...". You put things in a way that project all that without making you sound like a dumbass. If we relate that to PUA, well, the way to do it is to learn some material, work on your inner game, and your delivery.

Author:	kaala [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:57 am ]
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Quote: If we go back to the job-interview example, you don't go to the interview saying "HEY, give me the job cause I'm the best...I'm great...look at my resume, it's the Sh*t..." i was sure not saying that you should say that. i said you dont give a shit. in this example, you are trying to prove something to the interviewer. why? you dont care what he/she thinks about what you are going to say to her. when was the last time this something was good that somebody was trying to prove you that it is? if it was that good, he/she wouldnt be trying so hard to prove it to you that it is. Look at unattractive girls. they are trying to prove you how good and attractive they are, coz they really aint. the attractive girls convey their attractiveness through taking care of looks and some other. they dont mind if you dont notice it, but they'd be so excited if you would. You guys are not chasing the pussy. Go for what You want and say what You want. Leave it just like that, dont look for response. you dont give a shit. Understanding how many women are out there to choose from helps thinking that way. Right on about working on delivery and inner game. this is it.

Author:	kasabi [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:58 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: It depends . . . What kinda guy trolls around town and tells every girl he manages to open that she's beautiful and that he's into her? This isn't a mystery. I'm sure most of us here can watch a movie, follow along, and point out highlights and holes in the plot. Don't be the hole. you are not getting it. you are describing a guy who is needy as fuck and looking for sex. what youŗe saying is that youre thinking about what shes gonna think about what you gonna tell her. who the fuck cares what she thinks about that? mind ur own business and go for what YOU want. dont hide your desire towards attractive women. lets say you go to a job interview you really want. do you tell them how much you dont care about the job over the shoulder (being a "mystery"), or you tell them straight up why you like the job and you'd be the best choice for that, you tell them all the great things about urself, but u dont give a shit if you get declined or not, coz there are tons of other jobs like that. dont be something you aint. the interviewer knows exacly that you came there to get the job. the girl knows exacly why you approached her. dont bullshit with the small talk, she knows very well you didnt come to her to talk about weather. K. Technically, you're correct. Which is why I posted, "It depends. . . " You offered a good example with a job interview scenario but this is a poor analogy. You're not trying to apply for a job with a cute girl you just met in the streets are you? Secondly, you seem to promote honesty(demonstrate your desires), yet you promote a lie(You don't give a shit). If you TRULY didn't give a shit about what the interviewer or the girl thinks about you, why are you even talking to them? Why even approach? Take a picture, go home, and jack off to it instead . . . Think again . . . you say, "You're hot . . .I like you . . ." then . . ."I don't care what you think about me . . ." - this is a joke. Plenty members (In my mind, newbies and psychotic old times) here take the "I don't give a fuck" route and this is a poor strategy. Actually, it's not really a strategy at all. This is exactly how most of the World functions . . . which is the very reason why it's pretty easy to pull their strings.

Author:	kaala [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:14 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Quote: It depends . . . What kinda guy trolls around town and tells every girl he manages to open that she's beautiful and that he's into her? This isn't a mystery. I'm sure most of us here can watch a movie, follow along, and point out highlights and holes in the plot. Don't be the hole. you are not getting it. you are describing a guy who is needy as fuck and looking for sex. what youŗe saying is that youre thinking about what shes gonna think about what you gonna tell her. who the fuck cares what she thinks about that? mind ur own business and go for what YOU want. dont hide your desire towards attractive women. lets say you go to a job interview you really want. do you tell them how much you dont care about the job over the shoulder (being a "mystery"), or you tell them straight up why you like the job and you'd be the best choice for that, you tell them all the great things about urself, but u dont give a shit if you get declined or not, coz there are tons of other jobs like that. dont be something you aint. the interviewer knows exacly that you came there to get the job. the girl knows exacly why you approached her. dont bullshit with the small talk, she knows very well you didnt come to her to talk about weather. K. Technically, you're correct. Which is why I posted, "It depends. . . " You offered a good example with a job interview scenario but this is a poor analogy. You're not trying to apply for a job with a cute girl you just met in the streets are you? Secondly, you seem to promote honesty(demonstrate your desires), yet you promote a lie(You don't give a shit). If you TRULY didn't give a shit about what the interviewer or the girl thinks about you, why are you even talking to them? Why even approach? Take a picture, go home, and jack off to it instead . . . Think again . . . you say, "You're hot . . .I like you . . ." then . . ."I don't care what you think about me . . ." - this is a joke. Plenty members (In my mind, newbies and psychotic old times) here take the "I don't give a fuck" route and this is a poor strategy. Actually, it's not really a strategy at all. This is exactly how most of the World functions . . . which is the very reason why it's pretty easy to pull their strings. oke. i start of by saying that you`re still not getting it. yeah i aint applying for the job with a girl i just met on the streets. so why did i meet her? i gotta know where im going. i meet an attractive girl in the street. i see her walking towards me. i see the hips moving, titties bouncin. shes talking over the phone and smiles. damn, shes hot! im thinking of all the things id be doing with her. i already know, what im going to do with her and i aint hiding it by askin her "an opinion on something" if i really didnt care. if i wanted to, i would. in my mind, im already fucking this girl and i aint hiding my desire to express it pchysically and verbally. this doesnt mean you im not smart in the way im doing it, but im letting her know. if you like the girl and go for the "indirect" approach, you are still conveying what you REALLY think and the girl catches it sooner or later anyways. Yeah im honest with the girl. Im not ashamed that im a sexual creature and i love women. Not giving a shit is a lie? I approach a girl, talk to her, i express myself and let her know about my intentions and pretty soon i find out if im wasting my time with this or not. And again, you gotta be a little bit smart too and understand how women think. Now, i dont give a shit about what she thinks bout my intentions or what im telling her. Why do i approach her, why do i talk to her? Because i want to! Is it unlegal? Am I approaching her to find out what she thinks about what im saying to her? No! If she doesnt like what im saying, she can walk away. I dont care, no strings attached. Shes free to go. I dont look for reaction to my actions or approval. Saying "damn youre so hot that im having trouble controlling myself" to the girl is not saying it with the intention to find out what she thinks about that. I truly dont care if she likes it or not, but i want to find out if im wasting my time here or not. Do I mingle around for hours with my indirect game just to find out its a shemale with a dick? No! With being honest i find it out within minutes. The "I dont give a fuck" mindset can be understood very differently. Most of them are just pretending they dont and when they really do, it looks really fake when you find it out. Girls will, sooner or later. Now, i didnt say you are doing something wrong, just that you didnt understand what i mean. I bet you have plenty of experience under ur belt and things are working well for you. peace! K.

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Author:	DJ_Z [ Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:38 pm ]
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Telling a girl she is cute isn't bad. It's just honest. All that value shit, MM terminology, it doesn't matter as much as guys make it seem. It makes every set you open turn into a videogame, where at the end the machine totals up the value points versus devalue points and gives you your final score. Yeah, rolling into the bar with a girl on each arm will make women assume you have something good going for you. But not every word and action will carry over some value equivalent, nor are girls thinking about it as much as you are. As for the "don't give a shit," I agree with Kasabi that guys definitely misinterpret that. To that end, I'll give an example. Last week, I invited a girl I work with to come to the bar with me, but when the day planned came around she texted me with an excuse why she couldn't go. I said it was fine, and then went to the bar anyways. Girls know you care, if you really didn't care you wouldn't talk to them at all. The attitude isn't supposed to be about thinking nobody matters but you, it's just that your life will go on whether you get rejected or not.