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| Author: | Marauding Pillager [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | pulling the trigger |
OK so I normally get a lot of AA when I go out but last night I broke that barrier. I was by myself at first but then I bumped into a buddy of mine who was just hanging out. Bla, bla, bla we were having a conversation, chatted to the barmen, and opened a two set. At first we were talking to the same girl but then I moved aside and started speaking to her friend, deciding to wing for by buddy and isolate the girl (I didnt identify a target in the first place, I just played my part). Anyways the night goes on, my friend and girl #1 hook up, while I was kinda standing with girl #2 like an idiot, because I noticed she was getting uncomfortable with the fact that her friend was hooking up with my buddy. I tried to reassure them that everything will be fine but she replies "she has a boyfriend" and decides to leave with her friend, leaving him and myself just standing there. My buddy kiss closed and I came out empty handed. I applauded his success but felt angry at myself for not closing. So for the rest of the night I was just working on overcoming my AA and started opening sets, even though not getting anywhere Do I need to pull the trigger and take more initiative? I need a kick in the ass on that department |
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| Author: | jpmorganjr [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Drop |
Drop the outcome. You are too focused on acquisition and it's making failure a possibility. Focus on creation instead. Give them a reason to want you. |
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| Author: | Marauding Pillager [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:43 pm ] |
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yeah maybe I should go with a "I don't give a fuck" attitude more often. It usually helps |
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| Author: | 0uch [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:36 am ] |
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I think your wing fucked up the set more then you. I never make out at bars or even clubs. It just makes stuff easier. Unless if your game was on point, she would have bailed because your wing made her uncomfartable. Especially if she had a boyfriend. |
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| Author: | jpmorganjr [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | not giving give a fuck |
don't give a fuck what happens later, but give a fuck what is happening in every single moment. girls want you to give a fuck about what is happening right then and there. if you are giving a fuck about the future too much, then you are needy and it's unattractive. neediness is the number one problem facing pickup artists. it's part of the frame. |
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| Author: | Don Draper [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:43 pm ] |
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You know what I see? I see a guy and a girl enjoying themselves. And I see another girl being a cock-blocking bitch and a guy who had no idea of what he was doing there. Don't be that guy. You were supposed to engage the second girl, that was your duty as a good wingman. Instead, you just stood there with your mouth shut, and got the whole situation so uncomfortable that she just dragged her friend out along with her. If you had initiated a fun time, she would have paid no heed to her friend, and instead would be focused on you and maybe, you both have had your individual successes for the night. |
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| Author: | Marauding Pillager [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:41 pm ] |
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yeah don i guess you're right. Basically I was doing the other guy a favor, but it kinda looked like I tried too hard to divert girl #2's attention. Normally I hardly talk to anyone in a bar/club, so I did an effort engaging conversation with girl #2. She was only getting uncomfortable towards the end when she decided to leave, telling me "my friend has a boyfriend, this is upsetting me" Oh well, there's room for progress |
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| Author: | Psych3r [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:05 pm ] |
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Hmm, this one could have gone either way. I wouldn't say your friend totally blew it because technically he put "sex" in the frame, which spooked girl #2, but only because she was in "protect friend mode" instead of "selfishly enjoying herself mode". I'd say that was your department. To get her more warmed up and in the mood for "anything goes" prior to that moment. On the other hand, if your friend dove for the make out and it was awkwardly timed, then not much you could have done. From the brief description and the way you convey, I'd say you are too concerned with "following rules" and seeking approval from your targets. Think about it, if you didn't care that your friend was hitting on girl #1, that could have been you sucking face, if you didn't care about girl #2 worrying so much about your friend, you could have been gaming her and at least gotten her # or more, and if you weren't so concerned with girl #2 worrying so much about girl #1 (who is a big girl and can make her own decisions) you could have been sucking face or more with girl #2 while your buddy worked his own angle. |
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