PUA Forum :: can you really be "just friends" with women?

Ive asked this question before on other forums(not on this site),but here it is. You try to get with a woman but end up getting shoved into the just friend zone.(frequent member since 1998) So can you actually be friends with her or are you just deluding yourself?

This also leads to something id like an opinion on. I tried getting with this girl and it didnt work out. Shes though acquaintences(for the lack of a better term) with my friends and we're "friends" with her friends. It all started with my buddy and his girlfriend but i digress. The thing is though even though we're classifed as friends were really just acquaintences as best. The best point I can give is that she recently moved to san francisco and I didnt find out about it until i got and invite to her going away party. Would it be better to just cut my losses and just not talk to her anymore(shes still on my facebook friend list) or since shes friends with people I still talk to, just let things be?

"Between men and women there is no friendship possible. There is passion, enmity, worship, love, but no friendship." - Oscar Wilde

I even use the quote when women tell me "Can't we be friends?".

You know if you have one or multiple HB8+ as a (good) friend it will be a lot easier to game other HBs if you go out with her. You can even game her friends. It's basically getting handed to you on a plate if you do it right. Consider it an investment.

That's what I meant by rewarding btw.

Watch the movie the ugly truth
Be her friend, encourage her and make her be open about other men, help her to get the other men
Game other girls and tell her about it without bragging
when she is having problems with guys help her and take their side if they are doing good and she is the one at fault, if the guys are the ones at fault, tell her how you would have handle it with skills
little by little she will start liking you
if there is an opening jump in..

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This is blatant non-sense.

Do you ever read what you type?

Life isn't a movie.

Don't spread the wrong ideas, skills360.

I have almost ONLY guy friends. I don't mean aquaintances but people I can count on and are good loyal friends. I don't understand why this topic is always in question. YES, men and women can be friends. I know not all guys can do this but there are plenty that can. There may be some tension at first but it goes away and you can end up with something very special. Believe it or not men and women have much more to offer each other than sex. The very best conversations I've had were with my male friends.

So wouldn't the question be better asked as, "Can YOU be just friends with a girl?" because there are plenty of examples out there of male/ female frienships. If you can't be friends with a woman then why? Is it that your ego can't handle not getting any from her? Having female friends will get you lots of perks so be open minded guys.

Author:	kakashi316 [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:58 am ]
Post subject:	can you really be "just friends" with women?
Ive asked this question before on other forums(not on this site),but here it is. You try to get with a woman but end up getting shoved into the just friend zone.(frequent member since 1998) So can you actually be friends with her or are you just deluding yourself?

Author:	stefangreyman [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: can you really be "just friends" with women?
Quote: Ive asked this question before on other forums(not on this site),but here it is. You try to get with a woman but end up getting shoved into the just friend zone.(frequent member since 1998) So can you actually be friends with her or are you just deluding yourself? This also leads to something id like an opinion on. I tried getting with this girl and it didnt work out. Shes though acquaintences(for the lack of a better term) with my friends and we're "friends" with her friends. It all started with my buddy and his girlfriend but i digress. The thing is though even though we're classifed as friends were really just acquaintences as best. The best point I can give is that she recently moved to san francisco and I didnt find out about it until i got and invite to her going away party. Would it be better to just cut my losses and just not talk to her anymore(shes still on my facebook friend list) or since shes friends with people I still talk to, just let things be? You can be "just friends"--I never know exactly what this means--with a girl, as long as you are first not obsessing about her and second getting laid plenty. Being just friends doesn't mean you'll never sleep with her--in fact, if you can be cool with the just friends thing and she has something to offer that you are into besides sex, then you may end up sleeping with her someday. If you are in some kind of near sex-starvation phase then you won't be able to be just friends for the same reason you wouldn't go into a restaurant if you were on a starvation diet and be comfortable.

Author:	Mr Archer [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:17 am ]
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There are fat and ugly girls, plus your friends' girlfriends. Otherwise why would you want to be friends with a girl anyway?

Author:	Don Draper [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:38 am ]
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"Between men and women there is no friendship possible. There is passion, enmity, worship, love, but no friendship." - Oscar Wilde I even use the quote when women tell me "Can't we be friends?".

Author:	Cointoss [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:04 pm ]
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Quote: "Between men and women there is no friendship possible. There is passion, enmity, worship, love, but no friendship." - Oscar Wilde I even use the quote when women tell me "Can't we be friends?". How is Oscar Wilde the right person to comment on this? I don't think you can really be friends with women you feel attracted to (when it's not mutual) but if you aren't then why not? And even if you are (a little), who cares? If you're not desperate then those emotions shouldn't stand in the way of something which can be rewarding also.

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Author:	Mind Hacker [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:12 pm ]
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Most of the time when a man is friend of a woman one of them is unattractive to the other. That's it. Usually guys have pretty low standards and it's the woman putting breaks on his lust. AFCs like to settle for friendship hoping one day she'll fall in love.

Author:	skills360 [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: can you really be "just friends" with women?
Quote: Ive asked this question before on other forums(not on this site),but here it is. You try to get with a woman but end up getting shoved into the just friend zone.(frequent member since 1998) So can you actually be friends with her or are you just deluding yourself? Not in this case, i used to keep girls that i gamed, as friends, as an excuse to come back and do them, if having low inventory, in your case if you want to be her friend you have to follow my strategy: Watch the movie the ugly truth Be her friend, encourage her and make her be open about other men, help her to get the other men Game other girls and tell her about it without bragging when she is having problems with guys help her and take their side if they are doing good and she is the one at fault, if the guys are the ones at fault, tell her how you would have handle it with skills little by little she will start liking you if there is an opening jump in..

Author:	Cointoss [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:30 pm ]
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You know if you have one or multiple HB8+ as a (good) friend it will be a lot easier to game other HBs if you go out with her. You can even game her friends. It's basically getting handed to you on a plate if you do it right. Consider it an investment. That's what I meant by rewarding btw.

Author:	skills360 [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:31 pm ]
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Quote: You know if you have one or multiple HB8+ as a (good) friend it will be a lot easier to game other HBs if you go out with her. You can even game her friends. It's basically getting handed to you on a plate if you do it right. Consider it an investment. That's what I meant by rewarding btw. yes that too, pivot

Author:	Don Draper [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: can you really be "just friends" with women?
Quote: Watch the movie the ugly truth Be her friend, encourage her and make her be open about other men, help her to get the other men Game other girls and tell her about it without bragging when she is having problems with guys help her and take their side if they are doing good and she is the one at fault, if the guys are the ones at fault, tell her how you would have handle it with skills little by little she will start liking you if there is an opening jump in.. This is blatant non-sense. Do you ever read what you type? Life isn't a movie. Don't spread the wrong ideas, skills360.

Author:	skills360 [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: can you really be "just friends" with women?
Quote: Quote: Watch the movie the ugly truth Be her friend, encourage her and make her be open about other men, help her to get the other men Game other girls and tell her about it without bragging when she is having problems with guys help her and take their side if they are doing good and she is the one at fault, if the guys are the ones at fault, tell her how you would have handle it with skills little by little she will start liking you if there is an opening jump in.. This is blatant non-sense. Do you ever read what you type? Life isn't a movie. Don't spread the wrong ideas, skills360. Here we go again, draper, get over it man, you have your game i got mine, you still have not gotten over that stupid ass threat, come on let it go... I do not have anything against you, let it go... It is not even fun anymore, to amog you... Have you tried it? Let me answer no, i told the kid, the same thing you say, guys and girls can not be friends, but if he wants to keep her as a friend to do that, by the way i did that with my current girl...Shit i got edit this corrections: women and men can be friends, if school, martial arts, social circle, the time women and man can be friends but is complicated, is when one or the other is trying to hook up and fall in the friendzone, like with the poster, with that being said, i have many many female friends...

Author:	misselizabeth [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:46 pm ]
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I have almost ONLY guy friends. I don't mean aquaintances but people I can count on and are good loyal friends. I don't understand why this topic is always in question. YES, men and women can be friends. I know not all guys can do this but there are plenty that can. There may be some tension at first but it goes away and you can end up with something very special. Believe it or not men and women have much more to offer each other than sex. The very best conversations I've had were with my male friends. So wouldn't the question be better asked as, "Can YOU be just friends with a girl?" because there are plenty of examples out there of male/ female frienships. If you can't be friends with a woman then why? Is it that your ego can't handle not getting any from her? Having female friends will get you lots of perks so be open minded guys.

Author:	skills360 [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:22 pm ]
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Quote: I have almost ONLY guy friends. I don't mean aquaintances but people I can count on and are good loyal friends. I don't understand why this topic is always in question. YES, men and women can be friends. I know not all guys can do this but there are plenty that can. There may be some tension at first but it goes away and you can end up with something very special. Believe it or not men and women have much more to offer each other than sex. The very best conversations I've had were with my male friends. So wouldn't the question be better asked as, "Can YOU be just friends with a girl?" because there are plenty of examples out there of male/ female frienships. If you can't be friends with a woman then why? Is it that your ego can't handle not getting any from her? Having female friends will get you lots of perks so be open minded guys. 100% correct in everything you said, the problem is when you are trying to hook up and you fall in the friend zone, if that is the case you may need to take a break till you get over it, then be friends, actually i rather have female friends than male friends: most guys talk about getting laid, video games, sports... That shit too me is extremely boring... Women talk more about meaningful stuff: relationships, human relations, drama... In my experience much more enjoyable to have female friends...

Author:	Txacoli [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:51 pm ]
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Quote: I have almost ONLY guy friends. I don't mean aquaintances but people I can count on and are good loyal friends. I don't understand why this topic is always in question. YES, men and women can be friends. I know not all guys can do this but there are plenty that can. There may be some tension at first but it goes away and you can end up with something very special. Believe it or not men and women have much more to offer each other than sex. The very best conversations I've had were with my male friends. So wouldn't the question be better asked as, "Can YOU be just friends with a girl?" because there are plenty of examples out there of male/ female frienships. If you can't be friends with a woman then why? Is it that your ego can't handle not getting any from her? Having female friends will get you lots of perks so be open minded guys. I agree, a lot of my guy friends tell me their conversations with women are really special and often they can open up more. I guess it's individual.

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