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Author:  Fragnance [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:32 am ]
Post subject:  Keep missing cues from women
Hey,

I've finally approached a few chicks but I blew them all. I think I have a sinister laugh, but it's merely the ability to finally have the confidence to approach anyone anytime anywhere.

I'm getting off topic, however, I asked one of them why did I blew it, she said I was already interested you didn't have to make an extra effort to show me how interesting you are. Later that night I realized that all of them were kinda interested, but I didn't know it.

So, what are the "cues", should I say, that I should be looking out for that either means she is interested in me or wants me to approach her. Lately I've changed my wardrobe, and I getting a lot of compliments :D
Author:  Mercurial [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:03 pm ]
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So, what are the "cues"
Seriously? have you never heard of IOI's? If you havnt let me explain, Indicators Of Interest are signs that a women will give off subcousiously when attracted to a guy, from the obvious ones like laughing at bad jokes to touching your arm/legs etc to the less obvious ones like touching her hair. Im sure there is a list on here somewhere that explains IOI's in more detail and gives you alot of examples on what you will find in field
Author:  Chief [ Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:22 pm ]
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No need to look out for IOIs... A good rule of thumb to follow is to always assume she's interested and just keep escalating. If she rejects you, she probably wasn't interested. If she doesn't, you get laid. That's the best way.
Author:  Lodewijkp [ Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:36 pm ]
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your mindset probably makes you not picking up cues unconciously or concious... it's not like you don't see cues . unconciously you don't want to see them ...
Author:  Fragnance [ Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:09 am ]
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I understand IOI's. I also understand to assume interest. Hell, I spent a lot of time understanding lack of disinterest was an indicator of interest.

I may have been looking for IOI's but now looking back, I realize that I was looking for "indicators" that she wants me to approach her. The IOI's M talked about or their context here assumes that conversation has started, right?

The 3 second rule starts when she catches your eye. You have a "reason" or an "excuse" to approach. She made her intentions clear.

I am confused about two things -

First, What are the pre-indicators of interest which like show cases that she wants to be approached. Like the eye contact things. Now listen now (or rather read), this wouldn't be much of a big deal if -

Second, I wouldn't need a reason or excuse to approach a beautiful women. Hell, I liked what I saw!

So, what do you say to - Do I wait for a reason(a Pre-IOI (just for the sake of difference)) or do I just go ahead and start chatting. If I wait, what would be the PIOI's I'd be looking out for?
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unconciously you don't want to see them ...
Insight. But why would I not want to see them? Fear?
Author:  Lodewijkp [ Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:04 pm ]
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First, What are the pre-indicators of interest which like show cases that she wants to be approached. Like the eye contact things. Now listen now (or rather read), this wouldn't be much of a big deal if -
to be very honest .. having a penis is enough... not if she is lesbian of course.

í have done many approach without getting IOI from woman and i still managed to game them and pick them up. There are many IOI .. so we make a generalisation to keep it simple ... all attention that is aimed at you is a IOI. with attention i mean body language, looking /eyeballing , touching. just like ceasar millan says '' talk, touch , eye contact ''.

we have proximity IOI and IOI...

IOI : is aimed at you ..
Proximity : is aimed at her enviroment and is aimed at multiple men ( selection process )

Proximity is doing her make-up, standing near you, talking very loud ( she wants to be noticed )

alot of guys think they don't get IOI from the woman but in reality they are getting proximity IOI.. the girl is just afraid of rejection and keeps it more subtle or she is just signalling multiple men in her enviroment waiting for someone to approach her.

of course you do not need IOI .. like i've mensioned i had succes without getting any IOI.

here is my system of IOI , it can be confusing but im not listing all IOI types because it makes things too complicated. in clubs i don't look for IOI anyway , in daygame when im in the train or bus i always look for IOI - not because i need permission to appraoch her - it's my selection process , i want to pickup the girl who is most interested on a concious and subconcious level. the girl who shows most ioi approach first....

1. assume attraction

2. IOI or proximity IOI ?

3. does she give IOI ? yes ? approach
Does she give proximity IOI ? yes ? approach

4. doesn't she give any IOI ? yes ? still approach

the reason i don't make a list of IOI is because it would be very complicated ... the most complicated IOI i look for are : her biting her lips ... tension in the muscles around her mouth... increasing the gum-chewing frequency when im around... checking her phone twice...pointing her knees into my direction ... total shyness because someone pretending you are not there is just becuase they are itimidated... checking her make-up when im around... creating distance between her and her female friend... looking to me and then to the seat next to her when im passing by... scratching the area around her tits ... scratching her head / hair... being bussy with her phone but walking in front of me... someone sitting next to me not looking back if they leave the seat next to me ( intimidated ).

you see how complicated they are ... there are hundreds of them and you cannot conciously remember an apply them real time.... it's too much brain work. most IOI i just read unconciously .. i have learned to read womans subcommunication just like woman do - but again it doesn't really increase my succes, i approached anyway. it only increases my selection process , i can see who is more interested in me - i can have better relationships with woman who are the most interested so.

learning to read female subcommunication can either make you too selective and looking for too many IOI or it can increase you succes in the selection-for-relationships process.
Author:  Lodewijkp [ Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:07 pm ]
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Insight. But why would I not want to see them? Fear?
could be fear for succes .. could be fear of really liking the girl ... or the fear of the girl liking you so you fear the fact that it will get you into a relationship and end the pickup game ( gaming frame ). could be you feel like you don't deserve the girl when she gives IOI...

alot of HB 10 give guys IOI but they do not notice it ... it's outside their reality they really feel like they don't deserve high quality girls so their mind doesn't pick those signals up - actually when they do pick them up they feel threatened and initimidated.

it could be anything ... try to work on it , play with it and find your underlying issue...
Author:  Fragnance [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:29 am ]
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Hey Lodewijkp, you sound to me like Tank (Dane Cook) from My Best Friend's Girl and Nikki (Ashton Kutcher) from Spread, excluding their ahole sides.

I don't know if you've seen those movies, but those characters really differentiate men who get most women from those who don't. They have a certain attitude and a high level of confidence. I am falling short on words to describe them but there is a very clear difference between a nice guy and a guy who gets laid. They have no single doubt. Same like you as I understand from your words. How do you do it, how do I get such an attitude?
Author:  Lodewijkp [ Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:58 am ]
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no i have not seen that movie , but now you've mensioned it im going to watch it... i wonder if there is a relationship between me and those guys :P .

how do i do it ... well i just grown that way , i started out my so called ''pua'' adventure all anti social and f*cked up, quitte an asshole..... got into relationships with woman .. very bad relationships in general and learned alot.
it's a way of taking challenges and learn about them , relationships made me focus more on my inner perspective through inner game.

all traits are just a by product of experience ... confidence you will get from using courage - something you do when you get outside your comfort zone.

the more you will get outside your comfort zone the more you will feel confident, breaking down your reality through new psychological mindsets can be uncomfortable. Swimming in ice cold water can be uncomfortable , approaching woman can be uncomfortable..... Everytime you do something which makes you feel uncomfortable - everytime you do something that you don't want to but you know it''s good for you you will create confidence.....

succesfull people only need a few traits

1. discipline - willing to take difficult choices and sticking to intentions
2. loving what they do - willing to go through hardships
3. persistance - not giving up and sticking to it until you make it work.

so you can either get this attitude by experience and personal discipline...
or you can take up these mindsets by hypnotizing yourself .. writing down affirmations and reading/writing them daily.

the most important factor in attitude is knowing what you want .. knowing what kind of girl you want , having clear intentions for every action, having a purpose in life and being on your purpose in general.

having high standards regarding woman and knowing that most woman in bars and clubs are actually in fact bad relationship material will increase your succes alone.
so :

1. knowing what you want - having clear intentions
2. Taking action through clear intentions
3. experiencing through intentions

if you experience without intention or if you take action without intention you mess up the whole progress ... behaviours are just intentions and boundaries you have through expriences.
Author:  Fragnance [ Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:42 am ]
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I had a few bad years in the past filled with self sabotage and negativity about inability. I've improved much and still improving. I think I'll stick with affirmations for a while.

Thanks man for all the time and help.
Hope to meet you one day ;)
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