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| Author: | Shyler [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Opening: a big joke |
One of the things which 60's said and which I always remember, is that opening is one big joke. The girl who would like you during day time might blow you out like a bitch at a bar. She might have a bad day, or you were succesfull because she was drunk and wanted to have revenge on her exboyfriend. Good for you. Opening and approaching have always been my sticky point. I feel now that it's getting worse and worse. I tend to open less than I used to. That's because I associate approaching and opening with bad feelings. I'm getting almost always blown out. It's ridiculous. I'm confident enough to say that I'm a great guy who is good looking and I'm pretty proud of myself. I don't even feel like the biggest reason is me: so many times I opened girls confidently only to get punished for my confident behavior. It feels like I'm conditioned and reinforced to not open girls again. For me it is very difficult now to motivate myself to open. In order to continue opening behavior I should be rewarded but I'm not. Learning rational talk like "it's nothing personal" or "honestly what's the worst thing that can happen to you? You won't get killed" doesn't help pretty much as the mind isn't very rational. The only thing that could motivate me now to open is a personal coach as myself or even alcohol can't motivate me. This problem does not only occurs to me but to a lot of people. I hear stories of people who have much succes with girls, but they only flirt with people they already knew somehow or when they get introduced. Only a very few percentage of guys open strangers. I feel that the reason why opening often don't work, is because opening and approaching itself is seen as neediness by girls (age between 18 and 24: college girls), or they have too much attitude. Girls at a bar are always trying to avoid strangers and eye contact. They're never interested, unless you're an abercrombie&fitch model. I'm constantly trying to adapt my tactics. I try to use winggirls and female friends now who dance and do crazy shit with me, while I have an "I'm the price attitude". I hope that I can raise interest in other girls when doing that, but even than I get no eye contact and when opening them I get blown out. Now I only approach a girl when I get a good eye contact or when introduced. Good for me is that I can be deadly efficient: when I manage to get in touch with a girl, I can seduce her and get a close. When going out I just don't care about chicks anymore and concentrate on having fun with my friends. I act slightly aloof or reserved to other people. I approach when getting a good IOI like good eye contact. But mostly now it takes many nights out before I have some succes. |
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| Author: | stinger 13 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | body language |
getting blown out has to do largely with your body language and tone (be loud enough for them to hear you). Perhaps you need to approach better. Remember never from behind and always 45 degree angle and don't stare at her for longer than 3 seconds. You see her and go for it. Yeah if you get blown out, right away it happens. The other night I got blown out just for approaching but 5 minutes after I picked up a model that was twice as hot and have decent attraction and have a date with her next week. Trust me, watch these videos I have on my channel for body language. This may help with body language. Come in like they owe you something, DO NOT have a seeking approval type body language, but rather you don't really wanna be there. [link] Watch the whole episode 8 - it's like an hour long. |
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| Author: | stinger 13 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:01 am ] |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbUOt1VB ... re=related |
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| Author: | Lorenzo321 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:00 pm ] |
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@stinger, I agree with you about the importance of body language. You must portray that you are not needy, that you are the prize and not like the other men at the venue Yet what is more important than this, is inner game. You must believe it and it must seep out of your soul and into your behavior that you are confident. For instance, you must open/approach with the belief that her meeting you IS the best thing that has happened to her. That is confidence. And it is not about WHAT you say, but HOW you say it. @Shyler, you sound like you are confident, but only after you are comfortable with the girl. You must work on building attraction and getting that comfort up so that she feels like she knows you (then you can use your well-sharpened tools). But dude, you have what it takes to seduce strangers. I find that any1 can seduce a person from within the group, the noticable guys are the ones that can seduce a stranger--that is game and that is what you should be striving for.... |
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