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Author:  Refelex [ Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Problems after opening: sometimes I rock but often I blow
Hello friends,

Opening is not a problem. I have learned it almost doesnt matter what you open with. However, on some nights my post opening conversation is on fire awesome....all improv, a mix of cold reads, observational, situational comments, etc. But such improv insipiration doesnt always come to me.

So I can resort to canned stories from the community or mine. However, there are nights when none of these feel right. Or if the music is loud, they also dont feel right.

Some of mine post opener threads, are notes based on silly things or observations about what has happened to me during the week. But in a club, they seem so out of the blue that, they dont hook at all.

Can anyone relate to this?

Would love your feedback.

Thanks

Reflex
Author:  Mav- [ Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:52 pm ]
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I decided I barge into Your topic since I kinda have the same "fear".
I'm kinda worried with stacking topics.
After opening (say I know "Is kissing cheating" opener) I don't know how to smoothly move onto another subject or some of my stories (and I got none related to kissing and cheating of my own). I'd appreciate some examples of You guys like how You would transfer such things to stories of Your own. Short sketch would be fine.

Funny thing is, apparently my problem is only with starting the conversation. Like when I'm being introduced to group by my friends and I'm already in, I can just chat them up, no biggies. It's the opening that's a problem for me.
Author:  Mav- [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:07 pm ]
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C'mon guys!
I thought there are here some real PUAs that are willing to help and not only seek guidance ;).

*bump*
Author:  Refelex [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:06 pm ]
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Hey Mav,

read this:

http://www.venusianarts.com/how-to-gene ... -examples/[/url]
Author:  Refelex [ Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:08 pm ]
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opening is cake, you just do it. While I do experiment with all kinds of openers, most of them are very basic "hey, you look cool, so I wanted to say hi"

I used the following 2 openers recently, not canned, improv, ridiculous and simple but I was in a silly fun state of mind. Both openers got smiles and laugh.

Hi, lets be friends.

Hi, I wanna meet you.
Author:  Coldman [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:38 am ]
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I decided I barge into Your topic since I kinda have the same "fear".
I'm kinda worried with stacking topics.
After opening (say I know "Is kissing cheating" opener) I don't know how to smoothly move onto another subject or some of my stories (and I got none related to kissing and cheating of my own). I'd appreciate some examples of You guys like how You would transfer such things to stories of Your own. Short sketch would be fine.

Funny thing is, apparently my problem is only with starting the conversation. Like when I'm being introduced to group by my friends and I'm already in, I can just chat them up, no biggies. It's the opening that's a problem for me.
nononononoooooooooooooo don't use mystery method for the love of GOD.

What the user above me said, do that, and then just shine with your charisma, personality, humor and ability to be sexual. Develop THIS instead of DHV routines.

You don't need to relate the rest of the conversation to kissing/cheating, just be interested in the beautiful creature before you... "You look like you do something in X (fashion, management, anything)" (Try to make statements instead of asking questions, even if you're wrong, she'll correct you), it's fine to ask questions every once in a while, but don't make it sound like an interview.

The key point to remember is to be INTERESTED in seeing what makes her tick, what her world is like, what she does for hobbies, share similar interests.

While doing this you show confidence by being comfortable ( This means no nervous ticks, holding eye contact, all that good stuff :) ), you show your personality by putting in jokes and teases while getting to know her.

And don't forget to be sexual... else you'll fall into the friendszone. Sexual could be through verbal or nonverbal, loads of stuff on that on the forum, best I found is to mix the 2.

Actually, check this post out by Chief, it's filled with awesomeness:
chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-vt75887.html
Author:  Mav- [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:09 pm ]
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I don't understand what's wrong with Mystery Method? I thought I'll follow it up at first and not mix other methods so I won't get confused but from the stuff You're saying it looks like You're more of a David D type. Is he any better?
All that Mystery has to say has a logic sense to me that's why I think it's pretty good.
Author:  Refelex [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:49 pm ]
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pls dont listen to Coldman's post. Its nice of him to help but his post is all over the place. Stick to Mystery or whatever is working for you
Author:  Coldman [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:45 pm ]
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I don't understand what's wrong with Mystery Method? I thought I'll follow it up at first and not mix other methods so I won't get confused but from the stuff You're saying it looks like You're more of a David D type. Is he any better?
All that Mystery has to say has a logic sense to me that's why I think it's pretty good.
Mystery has charisma and is a VERY good marketer.... but his method sucks yea, it'll help you get more social for sure, and if you're not social yet and don't know how, sure ask some opinion openers or whatever.... but if you want to get laid and not waste any time then stay away from it.

I haven't read much of David D to be honest, only saw his DVD like 2 years ago... but I'm always using his cocky & funny stuff.... mainly because it just works. Wasn't he the guy with the good mindsets like: "You are the prize", and stuff... I think so.

My style is more from all these PUA's combined and just trying stuff out, focussing on developing small parts and then seeing what works and what doesn't; (not everything they say makes perfect sense, just use what works for you)
1. 60s Years of Challenge (He keeps stuff simple and basic, but it works.)
2. Captain Jack (Specializes in same night lays, sexual frames etc)
3. Richard Gambler (Kino escalation while being DISCREET)
4. AFC Adam Lyons (Social proof)
5. Kezia Noble (Conversation skills and deep rapport -> more for daygame, but good if you want to get less flakes)
6. Andy Yosha, SashaPUA, etc from: www.daygame.com
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pls dont listen to Coldman's post. Its nice of him to help but his post is all over the place. Stick to Mystery or whatever is working for you
lol all over the place, well excuse me for not writing a monster of a post on explaining what to do in every single situation, I just gave him a basic outline on how an interaction goes and what to focus on, if you missed it, it's: "Develop Charisma, personality, humor and ability to be sexual"

Sure if you want to waste hours of your time like I did then go ahead, use Mystery Method. Go by the 7 hour rule lol... (Think about it, srsly, you get to the club at 11 pm... 11pm+7 hours = 6 AM.... is anyone really still in a club at 6 AM? If so, you'd have to lay the first woman you see to be able to make it in time if you want to babysit her for 7 hours.)


Anyway, from personal experience I can tell you that going indirect/Mystery Method style, negging and hiding your interest will only get you loads of Last Minute Resistance if you want to go for Same night lays.


Even if you don't want to go for SNL's...., who do you think looks more alpha;
one who has to hide his interest/intentions, do loads of magic tricks and routines to show he's an awesome guy and only after getting some interest he can express how he feels about her.

or the guy who just goes for what he wants, unapologetic, confident and not afraid to show who he really is.

I'll let you decide, but think about it... would James Bond walk backwards over the shoulder and ask an opinion opener.... or would he go for what he wants?


p.s. Obviously it's not working for him else he wouldn't be here asking for help ;)

p.s.s. Mystery has said some good things, but if you don't know what's good and what isn't then you'll just learn bullshit techniques like the 7-hour rule, freeze outs, negs and all that kinda rubbish... (Negs are good when used properly, but I know when I first started I always messed it up and insulted the girl, as I know loads of beginners do... it's just best to stay away from negs until you're more calibrated)

His method in general just sucks and is hard to get into for beginners. (Having to learn 5 million different routines , learning what to say against cockblocks, AMOGs, etc...)
Author:  Mav- [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:20 pm ]
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Actually the way I picked up my one-itis was Mystery Method perfectly executed. Only then I had no idea about PUA community. Only now when I analyzed it I can name exactly what I did then and what made her fall for me.

I got similar way of looking at life as Mystery does so that's why I like the guy and what he has to say.

Also, You named few people but how about some links to those guys? And I hope it's just material there and not some bootcamps. SNL idea sounds good since every once in a while I'm going on all night party to a city nearby and I don't really have a place of my own to crash there :P.
Author:  Coldman [ Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:24 pm ]
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Actually the way I picked up my one-itis was Mystery Method perfectly executed. Only then I had no idea about PUA community. Only now when I analyzed it I can name exactly what I did then and what made her fall for me.

I got similar way of looking at life as Mystery does so that's why I like the guy and what he has to say.

Also, You named few people but how about some links to those guys? And I hope it's just material there and not some bootcamps. SNL idea sounds good since every once in a while I'm going on all night party to a city nearby and I don't really have a place of my own to crash there :P.
60s is probably the best one that's why I put him as 1, Chief's really into him too haha, check out chief's posts about him: 60-years-of-challenge-vt74099.html

Most of the people I mentioned have products online which you (unfortunately) have to pay for, unless you know where to look. :roll:

Gambler however put his Stealth Attraction CD on youtube (which has some good content on it), check it out here (top few results): http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ction&aq=f

(He's doing a lot of the same stuff as 60 years of challenge btw)


and I'm not saying Mystery Method can't work, but he just makes everything more complicated than it has to be, also saying loads of rubbish in between and making up silly "rules" that don't make any sense. (Like: You can't show her any interest until she shows you any!)

Mystery's Method is about acting disinterested, playing hard to get, etc to get attraction, and then after that you build comfort, and THEN you go Sexual.... that just takes forever. Doesn't really surprise me he invented the 7 hour rule if you go by this exact model. Not only that but you have to remember 6000 routines and lines to get there...

A pickup isn't step a, to step b and then step c, it's like an ocean, constantly rocking back and forth through attraction, comfort and sexual, it's about calibrating what the interaction needs (which will only come from experience).

Honestly, if you like feel like remembering a thousand lines/routines on how to handle cockblocks, AMOGS, 2-sets, 3-sets, mixed groups, what to do if her mom enters the set, when to neg, how to neg, a couple of stories from your life about how you saved your stripper ex girl friend from a man eating Orangutan, some qualifying statements, the cube, some palm reading skills etc and having all this information in your head when you go out then go ahead and try Mystery Method.

If you like to keep stuff simple check out 60 years of challenge.


Actually, check out both and see which one you prefer. I made my pick through experience and it's not my place to force my beliefs upon you.


p.s. If you're interested in learning same night lays, here's a free, hour long video of Adonis (Nick Quick) on the 21 convention, his style is the same as Captain Jack's with sexual framing, sexual tension etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmkvownzyA8

and this is his website: http://charmingrogue.com/

But you need to have the fundamentals handled (e.g. having a normal social conversation) before attempting same night lays.
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