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| Author: | Rhythic [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Building social proof VS Sticking when it's on?? |
This is an issue I keep having at the mo. I'm having difficulty social proofing a room. I'll step into the club and aim to social proof the room by asking different functional or situational openers then moving on. Once I've social proofed the room then my aim's been re-enter a set and properly game. The problem I keep having is I'll step into a set and I often get some form of interest or find it's on straight away, but because I'm social proofing I bail early and end up not going back into the set because they disappear before I get to see them again or I get held up talking to someone else. I'm missing a lot of opportunities. What are your thoughts? If I get the sense that a set is on should I stick with it despite the fact that I haven't done much social proofing? Or should I just do a better job of returning to the set? |
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| Author: | Andy Nice [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:06 am ] |
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Quick question.. why do you social proof? In order to DHV, correct? But why DHV; If you want to become a PUA, you should barely if EVER DHV... You are an alpha, so you already are of higher value. If you have a wad of money, if just for show... you've already DHVd too much lol. All Im saying is... be confident and say things to hear yourself say them... not because u care what others think.. But, I digress... On to your question... IF you do decide to social proof, talk to one set, then a second... then back to the first. Have an excuse... " you see those two enormous guys dry humping that chick in the fat sandwich on the dance floor? I didn't know if they were being sexual... they just looked hungry... talk about lookin at someone like a piece of meat, right? lol" just minimize the amount of sets you approach before closing with the first, second and so on... bump into someone "accidently"... then tell them to watch where they were going before you snap their stiletto off in their ear drum... lol whatever is clever... you may just be unlucky with fembots leaving soon because the night is bad... focus on a few... rather than the plethera... cull the best from the herd and execute seduction... |
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| Author: | Rhythic [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:27 pm ] |
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Thanks Charm great advice, I appreciate your feedback! When I think about it you're totally right man, why DHV when you already are high value? ....No need! I've been letting go of structures and DHV routines more lately and been finding that as my inner confidence is growing I'm doing less and getting much more back which is why I seem to be getting IOI's often just from walking up to a set and asking a question, or saying whatever. I've still had the mindset that I need to demonstrate social proof though. But you've made the great point that, that is in fact the same as a DHV routine. It's coming from a place of trying to prove myself as if I don't already measure up. Great thoughts, cheers! |
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| Author: | PUA Kenny [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:57 pm ] |
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@Charm-I disagree with you,but I get where you're coming from. @Rhythic-You're definitely doing the right thing and have the right frame when it comes to social proofing in a venue. Im the king of club gaming. You really dont have an issue. You'r just loosing sets because the set moves(lol). So keep doing what you doing. |
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| Author: | Rhythic [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:36 pm ] |
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Cheers k-loc |
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| Author: | PUA Kenny [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:24 pm ] |
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@Rhythic-Thing is,I hate gaming with guys(wingmen).I always sarge alone. But as far as being out at bars & clubs with friends,I use them for social proofing. When an AFC goes out alone,he stands in a corner looking all lonely and weird,which is a major DLV. At least when you're mingling with friends,it subcommunicates to girls that you're social & safe,and not some loner-serial killer. At times,I'd work the entire room,depending on how big the venue. But what I do is chat up bartenders,owners,security,bouncers,guys,ugly girls,everybody. Then I'd chat up about 5 sets of girl on an average night(bouncing set to set). I would've had my target in mind already to go back to later. The beauty of social gaming like I do is that it's a numbers game. More sets you game(briefly),more options later on. The girls would typically recognize me later on and pull me or say something like,"Hey,remember us"? They would re-open me opposed to me re-opening them. Where the average guy goes wrong is that he spends 4 hour trying to game 1 specific girl. So it's a 1 in 1 shot of a lay,# whatever he's after. But when I do my social gaming,I have like 8 options to game. With that ratio,Im looking real good. Honestly,you can only take home 1 girl anyway(unless you manage a 3-some-lol). But the chances are better with 8 options that 1 option. |
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| Author: | Rhythic [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:44 pm ] |
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Cheers again k-loc I initially tried to edit what I originally said cause there was another point I wanted to ask you but I ballsed it up and accidentally deleted the damn thing. Too caught up doing music on logic lol! All's good, you got what I asked anyway and I think I get it now, I got a more solid game plan so onwards and upwards in the quest for class club clunge! Thanks 
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