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Author:  Devin [ Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:20 am ]
Post subject:  I'm Amazing, Then I'm AFC What Can I Do?
So I've been in the field for about a year now, and I'm losing results. I feel like I've acquired TONS of knowledge, but I'm regressing. I have awesome qualities. But I feel like, some nights I'll go out and I'm the center of attention all over, but other nights, like tonight, I'm a failure at this stuff. I usually close at least 5 numbers. Most of them reasonably solid, but I'm terrible at text game (getting better).

The conversations i have with the women I number close are always filled with depth, and I'm always interesting, they say so. But our text conversations are always short; and we'll lose contact.

Tonight made me feel terrible. I have a lot of confidence, I can approach ANYONE. Tonight I tried using magic as an opener. I got shot down nearly 80% of the time, as where other women responded well. Is using magic as an opener a DLV? Like am I just an "entertainer"? Or am I just getting worse?
Author:  Defy [ Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:47 pm ]
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I know what you're talking about. I think we have the same problem. With text game and everything (though I never got 5 #closes in one night). I'll tell you my situation and we can try to fix our SP together.

We will learn text game, but I think we have a problem on a deeper level. And beneath it all lies unworthiness. I know in my case it does. And that's why we seek validation and need to be amazing all the time. Instead of just chilling sometimes. We are just putting so much pressure on ourselves. When we succeed we feel good for a short while and when we don't we feel so fucking bad. I've been feeling down for the last couple of days just for not opening street sets. And last night I had instant date with HB7,5 from salsa class and I just planned on going home and watching tennis. While I was with her my wing called and proposed we just hang outside and drink instead of clubbing like we normally do. And that's what we did. I don't remember the last time I did that. It's always sarge, sets, IOIs, and what have you. We called some girls we picked up earlier and got wasted.

I think we have to deal with managing expectations. Our expectations. And just enjoy things and stop seeking validation from outside. What are your thoughts on this?

As for magic, it is a DLV. You can save it for day2 or something.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:56 pm ]
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Stop reading any more material. You're only "learning" when you're IN FIELD.

If you didn't need magic to open before, why start now? I don't think magic is good as an opener because it's validation seeking behaviour. If you mention magic in conversation and then girl asks you to do it, then you can DHV with just one trick. Think about it - if a guy went up and started to sing to a girl as an opener, that would be fucking weird. He's clearly doing it to impress her = DLV. If they're talking and he mentions he sings, and she asks him to do a verse of a song for her later, then that's a DHV.

Keep gaming and being interesting and n-closing, and figure out where your sticking points are. Then find a bit of material that covers that issue, try a bunch of stuff, and see if it helps. If it does, move on to the next one. The material only really sinks in and makes sense once you've actually found yourself in that situation. Reading a whole ebook cover to cover will just get you way too much in your head.

If your numbers are flaking, I would look back at the interaction pre-n-close. Were you having a fun time? Were you kino escalating with push-pull? Did you turn the interaction sexual enough soon enough? Did you qualify and build comfort? Did you future project so that she imagined herself with you in a possible day 2? Etc.

I don't "game" over text really. I just send out a random funny message once, then set up a day 2 that sounds a little bit different and fun. Even with 5 interactions I thought went well, only 1-2 of them will actually turn into dates. It's a numbers game after all!
Author:  Devin [ Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:47 pm ]
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I know what you're talking about. I think we have the same problem. With text game and everything (though I never got 5 #closes in one night). I'll tell you my situation and we can try to fix our SP together.

We will learn text game, but I think we have a problem on a deeper level. And beneath it all lies unworthiness. I know in my case it does. And that's why we seek validation and need to be amazing all the time. Instead of just chilling sometimes. We are just putting so much pressure on ourselves. When we succeed we feel good for a short while and when we don't we feel so fucking bad. I've been feeling down for the last couple of days just for not opening street sets. And last night I had instant date with HB7,5 from salsa class and I just planned on going home and watching tennis. While I was with her my wing called and proposed we just hang outside and drink instead of clubbing like we normally do. And that's what we did. I don't remember the last time I did that. It's always sarge, sets, IOIs, and what have you. We called some girls we picked up earlier and got wasted.

I think we have to deal with managing expectations. Our expectations. And just enjoy things and stop seeking validation from outside. What are your thoughts on this?

As for magic, it is a DLV. You can save it for day2 or something.
First of all, blondeguy thanks! That really blew my whole theory away! I should have mentioned earlier I practice magic regularly (I'm actually going to be on a TV show because of it, lol and it's funny you mention a guy who sings, I'm on the show for both, although I've never sang to a random lady, lol), but I change it up. Some nights I'll just go out to do magic, and not so much pick up women.

But Defy, you bring up an interesting point. I feel like, I do REALLY well when I'm not really trying to. I think it's important when you go to meet women, that you have better things to do then meet women. Usually, I'm just a magician going out to try new material, but last night, I most certainly took my cards and tricks out to pick up girls, and it didn't work. When I'm "just practicing" my identity is more radiant.

I used to actually be a magician for a club, and my game was INSANE then. I was well known, I was able to close 9's easy. But now, I really can see how it's validation seeking, like it doesn't display my personality. For me, it's the initial open. Like, I feel like to get their attention I need something flashy. Afterward, I can have great conversations. I'm always sort of skeptical about using a bunch of routines because I don't feel natural.
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